Syntəl8Feb 20

Algorave, live coding, or whatever you want to call it or whatever you're doing with computery creativity -

We haven't seen it become a genre, at most an umbrella of different genres.
It may end up becoming homogenised though. Its a possibility.

I think how this happens is through the logic of neoliberalism - the notion of there being 'top artists' - the concept of 'success' - the goal of 'making money'.
(can provide more detail on why I think that is)

So maybe the values of the scene as we know it, embodied in things like 'no headliners', 'bad code only', quality NO energy YES and general yay vibes, will help protect against it becoming 'one sound' or 'bland'?

What do you think?

I think we can go further and break down the notions of performer and audience, we've seen this begin to happen at AlgoRhythms.
next one btw is here: https://luma.com/1db23uki
I feel 'pushing back' against unhealthy norms even if gently is a powerful force.

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Show threadKat S

@synte I think "culture eats strategy for breakfast" applies here.

If the scene's culture naturally produces mutual hostility with the mainstream scene and labels, it'll carry on being a diverse, underground scene.
However, that won't stop them co-opting the label and promoting a homogenised version anyway.

There's plenty of history to learn from: disco (yes, really), house, techno and hip-hop, to name a few off the top of my head.

Feb 20 at 3:39pmWeb
Show threadSyntəl8Feb 21

@KatS absolutely - I guess what I'm saying is that can we do more to promote the idea that things can be local and vibes based and can exist in their own right as opposed to being a stepping stone on the way to fabulous wealth?

There are reasons why black and/or queer scenes die off - everything from burning disco records to police harassment of the grime scene.
Other more hegemony compliant scenes find it easier to bubble along out of the mainstream perhaps.

We all know pastagang will own a yacht before the decade is out but they will prob also crash it into an iceberg as a form of protest or something

I agree it starts and ends with disco 💞

Show threadSyntəl8Feb 21
which makes me wonder, did grime survive longer than garage because they consciously rejected 'bling' vibes?
Was grime the first anti-neoliberal genre?