@octothorpe Damn. Yeah we just don't have the ear/taste for that. Anything will work for the crap we watch lol. We just don't listen to music, at least outside of AirPods or the car. I downsized from my Sonos Playbar + sub to two HomePods 2 and it's been just fine for us, but some more surround some day might be nice. I just like the simplicty of set it and forget it, I don't even need a control box. I'm basic these days. I used to have receivers, NHTs, centers, huge sub but tinnitus ruined that