MTZFeb 17

Hopefully, he will be 6 underground by that time.

https://lemmy.world/post/43240263

Show thread[object Object]Feb 17

Also you guys are fucking idiots.

“If you don’t pick a better candidate then I’ll just let the one who wants concentration camps and to erase all of Palestine win”

Like, seriously, look at the big picture. Do you think Kamala who would have still supported Israel would have been worse for Gaza? It’s literally not possible. You guys fucked up the entire planet I’m your pride.

Now I’m not saying the DNC isn’t wrong, they’re fucking morons. But you guys just gave up on global warming, gay rights, trans rights, Gaza, any sembles ce of the environment, public health, the entire “justice” system, the courts, your immigrant neighbours, all people of colour on the US, and women’s rights.

I cannot express how much I fucking hâte people like you right now.

Go ahead and downvote me. “But it’s not right”. Yeah? We’ll choosing to let this happen is leagues worse. You guaranteed the genecide in Gaza would go be the worst it ever could be you fucking morons.

Go out and pressure the DNC to not be shot, but don’t fucking say there’s no difference between Kamala and Trump.

Show threadSibshopsFeb 17
I think he argument is that voting for status quo candidates aren’t actually getting us those things, either. And any small incremental gains are quickly reverted the next time republicans are in power.
Show threadTheRealKuni

And you can only believe that if you ignore every bit of progress that has stuck around in the last thirty years.

Progress isn’t a straight line up. Like anything else it dips and wobbles. But it consistently moves upward.

Yeah there are always going to be things to make progress on. But to pretend that we are not in a better place on some of those issues now than we were thirty years ago is bafflingly silly.

As an example: In 1996, support for same-sex marriage was so low that congress passed and Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, allowing states to ignore same-sex marriage licenses from other states in direct violation of the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution, and this was widely supported by the American people. In 2023, over 70% of Americans supported gay marriage while only 22% opposed. That number has dipped since, but not by much. In 2025, it was 68% support (88% of Democrats, 76% of Independents, and 41% of Republicans) while 29% opposed it.

That is an issue on which the American people have made significant progress. That progress hasn’t evaporated with alternating administrations. It ebbs and flows like literally everything, but over time it has improved.

Most are like this. Not all! Certainly some things consistently get worse, like wealth inequality. But to act like everything simply flip-flops between parties and that the Democrats are simply a ratchet that maintains the status quo and doesn’t let anything change just to let the next Republican make it worse is flat-out wrong.

Are Democrats largely spineless corporate shills? Yeah. But are they just as bad as Republicans? Fuck no. Go vote in primaries. Support candidates who will actually push for change. Giving up is pathetic.

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Show threadDaMummyFeb 17
What do you say to the people of WV who voted for Bernie in the 2016 Democrat primary, won him every single county, and 40k more votes than the runner up, but Clinton won the state? Should they give up, or comitt voter fraud and vote 110%?
Show threadSibshopsFeb 17

I’m not sure if I completely follow.

Bill Clinton passed a law defining marriage between a man and a woman and an example of progress made by a centrist candidate. Isn’t this saying the opposite?

And you are saying that Gavin Newsom, who has spoken out against trans rights, can do something similar? Like assuming he does the same thing, like pass a “Defense of trans rights” bill to allow other states to not recognize gender transitions.

Are you saying he will bring progress this way?

Show threadWakmrowFeb 18
Thank God the progress understander has logged on to explain why it was good, actually, that the Democrats banned gay marriage
Show threadTheRealKuniFeb 18

Thank God the progress understander has logged on to explain why it was good, actually, that the Democrats banned gay marriage

You clearly need to work on your reading comprehension if that’s what you think I was saying.

No, it was fucking horrible that Democrats banned gay marriage. It was fucking horrible that our society was okay with that. The entire point I’m making is that thirty years later we are living in a completely different WORLD on that front.