Mastodawn

#Gnome and #KDE should be personality modules atop of the same fundamental UI/Graphics toolkit and subsystem, and I will die on this hill.

It's beyond stupid to re-implement the same basic functionality in two completely different ways, and for our "new and improved" graphics stack to just be a pixel-pusher that Qt and GTK talk to.

Also, Gnome fellas, it's only cool to be THAT ruddy smarmy and opinionated if your opinions don't suck. I would literally rather use an Amiga 500 with a cracked 13" CRT than deal with your ridiculous CSDs and useless scrollbars. Stop already.

Not sorry.

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Fabian【ファビアン】🏳️‍🌈Feb 16

@rl_dane funny thing is that gnome is currently the only option for me. I like the UX und the workflow.

Well, enjoy! Isn't FOSS great? =)

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Fabian【ファビアン】🏳️‍🌈Feb 16

@rl_dane Absolutely! :D

I think I'd also have to say that we can discuss the things that annoy us about something even if we don't use it.

Like, let's take a really benign example: kakoune, the editor. I really love the idea of a user-friendly variant of vim. I tried it, and I couldn't use it, because it broke some very long-standing vi muscle memory for me. I don't remember exactly what it was, but it did something differently from standard/old vi/nvi, and I just couldn't use it. I can say what annoyed me about it without saying that it's a bad project, and without people who like kakoune saying, "Well, you don't have to use it," because I'm expressing the thing that keeps me away from it, not a reason why it's fundamentally bad, or anything.

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Fabian【ファビアン】🏳️‍🌈Feb 16

@rl_dane of course! Criticism is something of value to everyone and everything.
The thing that is problematic is if someone calls something bad without reason, with no or with made up problems.

Yeah, how we handle criticism is like the #1 marker of maturity, isn't it?

Yeah, there are a lot of hot-button issues in the FOSS world where people get deeply entrenched, lob logical fallacy grenades at each other, and generally behave pretty poorly.

I try very hard not to be one of those, and if you see me acting otherwise, please call me out! 💗

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passthejoe Feb 16

@[email protected] @[email protected] For me, gVim is kind of a beginner Vim that I use all the time. Mouse use is just like any GUI app, and there are menus to help you discover many features.

@passthejoe @fabiscafe

I remember using gvim a while back. Might have been more different on MacOS, too, I don't recall.

I remember when I switched back to Linux full-time in 2019, I noticed with some dismay that when FOSS apps had both a MacOS version and a Linux version, the Linux version tended to be worse, and harder to use. :/

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passthejoe Feb 16

@[email protected] @[email protected] Back during my MacOS tests (where I realized that an all-free-software workflow runs way better on Linux with older Mac hardware), I came to the same conclusion: Homebrew gVim was not as good as the Mac gVim app (can't remember who makes it, but it does work well).

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passthejoe

@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]

https://macvim.org/

MacVim by macvim-dev

MacVim is a port of the text editor Vim that seamlessly integrates with macOS as a native app.

@passthejoe @fabiscafe

That's kinda pretty, gotta say. ;)

@passthejoe @fabiscafe

Also, some programs (I can only think of #SimpleNote off the top of my head) have a fully native Mac app, but only an electron app for Linux.

That's sad, and makes me feel sad. XD

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passthejoe Feb 17

@[email protected] @[email protected] Many are doing Electron for all

@passthejoe @fabiscafe

Yeah, that's horrible. What adds insult to injury is when the Electron app isn't even Wayland-native, and won't accept the command line options to force it to be.

How... how... HOW can something be that pathetic? 🤦‍♂️