Da Cap’nHomeland Security has reportedly sent out hundreds of subpoenas to identify ICE critics online
RoidingOldManAfter years and years of complaining about ‘censorship online’ they’re gonna start arresting people for what they say online.
No, what will happen is they’ll use an LLM to analyze the data.
The LLM will falsely tag millions of people.
There will be some notable wrong arrests, and then six months later those people, after having their lives ruined, will sell their stories. They don’t have the intelligence, manpower, or discipline to parse this data intelligently or accurately.
And if it makes you feel better, consider how many contexts the word ‘Ice’ can be used in.
And if it makes you feel better, consider how many contexts the word ‘Ice’ can be used in.
Just for the record, I really don’t like ice. It’s cold, slippery and wet. And people ruin perfectly nice whiskeys by overdoing the ice in them.
Red0ctoberIce skating is pretty fun though. Strapping knives to your feet and then gliding on a frozen lake is great fun!
But those shitty ICE agents, they can fuck right off on that frozen lake
thethunderwolfICE engines function well but are quite suboptimal, they pollute the air
Developing a good replacement (such as electric cars) is important
Miles O'BrienI really don’t like ice. It’s cold, slippery and wet.
And it gets everywhere.
Just like the shitty US fascist police…
This. All arguments are transient as long as they win. They’ll even be for taking firearms as long as it left mostly “da libs” disarmed.
Rules for thee, not for me.
MrTastySaganakiI’m curious what sorts of posts/users are getting targeted. I would like more specifics. There are literally millions of people criticizing ICE and the government constantly online.
thisbenzingringprobably the ones that will be the best targets for being made an example of
Granbo's Holy HotrodThey will start with whoever they can and won’t stop until made to do so. Strap in and up.
That’s the scary part! To what degree do you have to be anti-ice to get on their radar?! Protester? Shit talker? Meme sharer?
It’s all encompassing. You are just looking at the subset that homeland security is working with in regards to immigration, but they are feeding all information into models for ai to run threat detection, and otherwise create social scores, palantir and their ilk being the ones doing the scores.
Whatever half baked conclusions they come up with, get promulgated to different agencies, and in time and perhaps already to private ones. Not attributed, and secret, you will never know the information was sent from them, and so won’t ever be able to challenge it. In time, bank loans, how businesses treat you, digital price tags you personally are served with, police treatment and information on lein networks, prosecutorial aggressivity towards you, how much the judges are led to hate you, and so forth, will all be influenced by these secret social scores.
Not just in the US either, the UK is ahead of us, Aussies are well on their way too. Europe is trying to bring the trojan horses of age checks and chatcontrol inside the gates of liberal democracies for this purpose. They want to id every account on every ip with faces and id, and run everything said or done, or looked at, along with all the video and audio of you from all sources, through these palantir type ai programs, off of these huge databases also held by people like thiel, but also the government and others, with that information about everyone, however obtained.
The 4th doesn’t apply according to our courts, they let private interests spy on us, then buy the information from those data brokers. The feds just streamlined it, a one stop shop to buy all of the data, and then distribute it to agencies, because they had been buying the same tranches of data through different agencies before that.
We really need to reject this locking the internet down, not the least as the gatekeepers are literally Epstein pals and conspirators. The fucking antichrist is the one chosen to decide winners and losers in life, peter thiel, that now has not only all the information of his own data banks, but all the data from every federal agency exported from doge, which he controlled. Musk was just the front man. If information is power, they already have too much. We need to forcefully reject these pushes. Rejecting corporate websites that bow down to these interests is a good start.
FubarberryI would guess it’s probably focused on ones that are prosecutable as threats. That would be enough for it to not be protected as free speech.
We’ll have to wait to know for sure though.
“threats” it can be anything and anyone.
TropicalDingdongSubpoena deez nuts ice pussies, I swear they make twinks look like alpha males compared to those fucks.
I don’t have a wide audience, I’m just a speck in a sea of the internet.
But here you go, DHS. FUCK ICE. FUCK THEIR FASCISM AND AUTHORITARIAN BULLSHIT. FUCK THEIR COWARDICE. FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM.
Please. I dare you to subpoena me.
User was subpoenaed for this post
Get the fuck off corporate social media.
Uhhh, you’re right of course, but dont think for a second your comments here are not seen by the fascists too.
And servers hosted in the us can be forced to comply as well
FauxPseudo Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
What happens when Dems take back power? The people okay with with this are going to instantly flip the moment the government comes after them the same way. But those people never think about how something can be used against them. They only care if it is a tool that can help them now.
To be fair, the dems also want, and use, authoritarian levers these days. Also, historically, they’ve been very ineffectual when it comes to pushing through progressive items – see the USA as the only advanced economy without public healthcare as an easy example, or them being the only country without basic gun laws.
Heck, one of the very few legit points Trump made in the one weaksauce debate he had with Biden, was along the lines of “If tariffs are so bad, why’d you guys leave all the tariffs in place from my first term?”. If there’s an election, and if they win, I doubt the dems will really do all that much.
Idk. To me it’s starting to look increasingly like there are irreconcilable differences between what the majority seem to want, and what a small rich minority wants. There are maga dads shooting their daughters, in maga states, over political shit, and they get let off by their maga jury. You’ve got red state ICE troops deploying to blue state cities explicitly to terrorize the population – those same troops are shooting people in the streets with zero accountability, protected by a group of people who are increasingly looking like ultra rich pedophiles of a very depraved sort. A group of individuals who are basically Americas ruling class, with likely ties between their pedophile island crimes, to Israel and Russia, and the USA’s unquestioning support of the atrocities being committed on the other side of the world.
It’s really difficult to picture what you’d need to do as a politician, to ‘make this right’ for the people in blue states/cities. If the people demand accountability for all the shit that’s gone on, it’ll enrage the right further. If you don’t hold them accountable, well everyone’s seen the result of not holding Trump accountable for the Jan 6 insurrection – it just gets worse and worse. They’re already at a point where they’re shooting dem civilians in the streets with impunity, and with ‘righteous fury’ automatically labelling these people terrorists/enemies of the states. Even using AI to alter photos of protesters to feed the propaganda machine.
Really feels like there’s increasingly a chance for a civil war in the usa.
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douglasg14bSpeaking the truth about the fascists in power.
Laws don’t matter anymore, there is no more order. They are not being followed, and the ones used to hard you are being made up.
“Woke liberal commie antifa terrorism”
Does lemmy.world have a warrant canary? Being hosted in Germany, will it respond to American subpoenas? And what about other prominent instances?
Move to smaller instances. There was a huge problem with everybody being on like four big instances and the whole point of federation is you don’t have to be like that.
Move to instances hosted on a laptop in someone’s basement in Peru with like 106 users or something. Make the fascists work for it, if you all conglomerate on one big host then they’ve got an easy target and you’ve got a massive single point of failure.
Because they dont have a single, fully-qualified penis amongst them all to try to convince people with.
Sub-penis is the best they can pull out
Don’t you know criticizing government action is terrorism?
M0oP0oI read a speculation somewhere that DHS want to declare all opposition to their activities as domestic terrorists and then remove their right to vote. There have been multiple articles detailing how the people who follow agents around and report their location are served papers later declaring them to be domestic terrorists and then they are placed on a no fly list. I’m sure more is to come. Reportedly, all the agents use facial recognition cameras to sweep the crowds for logging in a database, but another report suggests that the recognition part isn’t working so well.
probably using AI to do it too. i think some states already try to use facial recognition on red light cameras.
All while their representatives testifying to congress claimed there is no database of americans opposing ice. We all know there is, one of the police told the protesters they were on it and to have fun with that as well.
We need consequences for these guys lying to congress like that. Whoever that was just a few days ago should be forced out. He can’t claim ignorance, or litigate the definition of database, he knows he lied, we know he lied.
I remember the “have fun with that” quote. It was oddly smug and childish, which is why it stuck out.
Perhaps it’s naive of me to think so, but I read that the Minnesota District Attorney is deliberately not pressing charges (at least for the 2 murders) until the chance of a presidental pardon is nil.
The minnesota attorney(ies) isn’t pressing charges because they are derelict in their duty, showing cowardice in covering their charges by the Shield of State Law, and surrendering the 10th amendment to the feds.
Not having evidence shared by the feds, when there are multiple videos of the incidents, is disingenuous, and it isn’t credible for anyone to accept that as an explanation, even if one discounts how democrats do that with every issue opposed by powerful interests they promised to do something about, they make a performative gesture, get stopped, then say well I tried, as if that performative effort was sufficient and there was no real politik to be played.
The feds set the precedent of summary execution of a citizen without cause, denying the state access, then lying about irrefutable fact to justify it, branding their victims as domestic terrorists at that.
Under this precedent, they could accost the governor, throw him around, shoot him dead, then claim he grabbed for a gun. Cameras or no. You do all understand why it’s important the state presses charges even if the feds defeat them, or forestall them? This is a big deal, and these are just precedents to use when it counts, they are setting as many as possible on immigration because it’s the issue they have the most support on.
Nationwide injunctions are forbidden, so there is nothing to stop them from rounding up people into camps without cause. Unrest caused by stealing elections, or whatever else will get ugly, they are planning on it, and fighting under these democrats as we are, we are guaranteed to lose. We inlcluding democracy, such as is left of it.
The minnesota attorney(ies) isn’t pressing charges because they are derelict in their duty
This then becomes a voter issue to install someone who will represent the people. Alternatively, protests to hold elected officials accountable to their duties or promises.
democrats do that with every issue opposed by powerful interests they promised to do something about, they make a performative gesture, get stopped, then say well I tried
I’ve seen this far too many times. Again, holding elected officials accountable may be the only way.
I don’t know if they have recall elections, but we should help them start one, it’s the only way they will take on the republican machine. I mean I get their reluctance to be singled out by the national party as an enemy of the people. But they chose to be attorney general, it’s not all kicking poor people while the police hold them down. They need to do their jobs, or make way for those that will.
We desperately need reform otherwise, to overcome the united opposition of the establishment when a rare reformer does make it in there, they stop at nothing to try to remove them. Krasner in Philly even had the state government scheming to remove him with an impeachment or something based on demonstrably false connections between cash bail and public safety. Justice is not served by screwing the poor. It’s not served by tax farming them with excessive fees and enforcements either, let alone seizing their property in defiance of the 5th amendment in forfeiture.
So it would be a good time for a real reform candidate, hopefully an aggressive one that will treat those ad hominem attacks on reform prosecutors with the scorn it deserves.
I doubt they care about how many false positives they get.
So, from Russia - let’s see how people in your country of “dignity and culture to resist oppression and deep institutions” will pass through that future. From someone “not protesting enough” and “feeding the regime with my taxes” and “feeling fine when Ukrainians suffer” (technically true, except might not be the only thing true).
Pope-King JoeThe administration of overly sensitive pussy ass snowflakes. DHS and ICE can lick my ass and suck my nuts.
If you’re over 18, your too old for them.
Oh shit good point. I’m almost 40.
Thankfully I don’t have kids.
They can also lick my taint, eat my shit, and drink my piss.