birdwingWhat for you gave/gives this feeling?
Berengaria_of_NavarreI’ll let you know when I find out. It’s either going to be E or bathing in the blood of the vanquished (depending on whether or not the E works).
Nothing does that for me so far. Been on E for a bit over a month now, can’t say it made any noticeable changes to how I feel.
It comes in phases, first it might be libido dying off, then mental clarity, then the skin changing, and then the rest of the magic ✨
dandelionalso probably depends on route of administration and dose - injecting sufficient doses of EV had me feeling amazing around day 3 when the estrogen seemed to turn off testosterone production for me.
Some girls take months to see lowered testosterone and are kept on low doses of oral estrogen, which just isn’t going to have the same impact mentally.
For me the libido basically dropped off after a few days (initial sudden T spike which caused libido to rise due to the sudden influx of E, then it calmed down).
Then mentally I started feeling clearer in the first month or so, a bit like I no longer laughed halfassedly when I did, and more 3/4assedly genuine, rising upward with time.
Skin started feeling softer a month after start.
Buds came in the second month.
Hairline started getting back to normal five months in, I think?
Boobs around six months and growing. And now it’s currently just continuing fat redistribution.
Body hair thinning by eight months. :3
I found estrogen actually increased my horniness, but it was a very different kind of horniness than testosterone libido (which felt “wrong” to me, and which I hated so much I wondered if I was asexual or meant to be asexual).
I sort of wish it had reduced my libido, but alas. At least now my sexuality feels more right, and it’s probably good that I didn’t completely lose libido - my partner would probably not be happy about that.
Yeah, softer skin and breast buds started early for me. My hairline is still cursed IMO, but it’s not that bad - I just don’t like the way it looks and I wonder if it will ever be better.
I would say yeah, around 6 - 8 months my boobs were noticeable and probably were helping me pass around that point.
The effects vary depending on genetics, dose, route, etc. such that we do notice lots of similar patterns but with lots of variance.
I feel bad for the girls who take oral estrogen, though - I feel like it just does not feminize as well as other routes (particularly compared to injections).
Like instead of a “turn neck around for hottie and want to fuck” horniness, it being more of a “want to relax, cuddle and attach” horninesss, right? At least, that’s my experience.
I take spray in combination with antiboyotic injections, so idk how that is. But for me it’s helped, currently on size 85C.
I do oral E and the changes came on hard and fast for me. Libido tanked amost instantly, and when I finally experienced girl horny, it was so foreign, I didn’t eve realize I was horny 😆. I’m about 5 months in, and I’m starting to go out without my breast forms because my boobs are getting big enough to make my bras too tight with them. I’ve upped my dose twice from 2mg to 4 and then to 6 about a couple weeks ago and each increase has come with a massive emotional spike that lasted a few days. The only other change I’ve noticed that I’m definitley not imagining is muscle atrophy. Every week or two my thighs or shoulders will start screaming like I ran a 10k with no prep, but I’m just sitting around reading 😭
that’s so great - it’s entirely possible my bias against oral E is misguided; it’s the most common route of administration, and while most girls I see on oral E don’t have great feminization, there was one girl I knew who only took oral and she was passing and had decent breast-growth (I just tended to see her as the exception to the rule).
I wish I had muscle atrophy - I’m sure it’s happened to some extent in the past two years, but my forearms, calves, shoulders, neck, etc. all still look way too muscular to me. My partner says my arms aren’t muscular at all, but she admits my calves do look fit still (they’ve lost some muscle, but not nearly as much as I would prefer).
Anyway, so glad to hear oral E is working for you and having good effects!
I think the main reason I’m getting so much pain from it is because of the rate I’m losing muscle. I wasn’t ripped as a guy, but I lift appliances regularly at work, so my thighs and glutes were toned as hell if not bulky.
Only reason I went with oral over injections is because I can’t get it local, so it would still be covered by public heathcare, but I’d have to pay shipping, and I don’t with pills. Always comes down to money with people doesn’t it 😠
I definitely wasn’t ripped, but I might also just be really sensitive to any perceived muscle tone 😅
I think I’m definitely weaker, I can’t lift as much as before (I never measured how much I could lift before, I just notice my capacity seems reduced), and my endurance is worse (I can’t hold a heavy object for as long as before). I also notice sometimes my biceps feel really shredded after I try to carry too many groceries at once (though mostly I’ve just learned to take more trips rather than overload my arms).
But I would imagine if I had a job with manual labor I would have a much greater sense of my body’s weakening … that’s really interesting.
This study of US Air Force service members who started HRT found that trans women lost their pre-HRT advantages over cis women in push-ups and sit-ups within 2 years of HRT, and I’ve passed my 2-year mark, so I would like to think I too should be weaker overall, but I mostly just feel disappointed with my muscle loss - I would like to see more, lol.
And yeah, rough re being forced to take oral because they would force you to pay shipping … since you’re mentioning public healthcare I assume you’re in Europe and not the US - here in the US injections are more common and more accessible … it’s really sad to hear how behind Europe is in terms of healthcare practices. Gatekeeping is more common there (compared to the adoption of informed consent in the US), and injections are not really supported by the public healthcare (which for most people just means it’s not an option at all).
At least you do have oral through public healthcare, though.
I’ve heard sublingual absorption is better and you can somewhat reduce the burden on your liver that way - but it might also make your metabolism of the drug more spikey (though oral is super spikey no matter what as I understand).
I wish the better alternatives were more common. Trans healthcare really needs improvement across the board, but esp. in places like Europe where best practices have already moved on and they’re stuck in older ways.
Effect of gender affirming hormones on athletic performance in transwomen and transmen: implications for sporting organisations and legislators
Objective To examine the effect of gender affirming hormones on athletic performance among transwomen and transmen. Methods We reviewed fitness test results and medical records of 29 transmen and 46 transwomen who started gender affirming hormones while in the United States Air Force. We compared pre- and post-hormone fitness test results of the transwomen and transmen with the average performance of all women and men under the age of 30 in the Air Force between 2004 and 2014. We also measured the rate of hormone associated changes in body composition and athletic performance. Results Participants were 26.2 years old (SD 5.5). Prior to gender affirming hormones, transwomen performed 31% more push-ups and 15% more sit-ups in 1 min and ran 1.5 miles 21% faster than their female counterparts. After 2 years of taking feminising hormones, the push-up and sit-up differences disappeared but transwomen were still 12% faster. Prior to gender affirming hormones, transmen performed 43% fewer push-ups and ran 1.5 miles 15% slower than their male counterparts. After 1 year of taking masculinising hormones, there was no longer a difference in push-ups or run times, and the number of sit-ups performed in 1 min by transmen exceeded the average performance of their male counterparts. Summary The 15–31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events. A de-identified copy of the data is available from the corresponding author upon reasonable request.
Yeah, same here (a bit over 3 months in my case). I don’t really feel strongly either way about my new (very small) boobs, but still have yet to notice any kind of mental/emotional changes. I’ve seen a few people online say it took as long as like 9 months before they noticed anything mentally, so I guess some patience is in order.
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Strong shell and feets for marching!
But also being a girl is just cool as fuck. A hell of a lot less suicidal than being a man, that’s for fucking sure.
for real the best thing I did for my mental health ever was transitioning, I’ll never go back
nikkiLots of things have given me this, most recently it’s been just putting leggings on, everything being smooth, not having to worry about my now nonexistent penis showing. It’s pure bliss.
PENIS DESTRUCTOR 100
Longing for that day too, tbh. If I may ask, what’s recovery times for bottom surgery like? Would I need a lot of medicine for the initial weeks?
It depends a lot on where you get it done. They have different procedures and care routines in the US/Asia/Europe. I’m in Germany and I was in hospital for two weeks, then at home for another two recovering 90% of the time and from then on I slowly started to go back to normal life. I’m now almost 8 weeks post-op and I’m back to work since week 6 and doing everything like I did before surgery. Working out is still a no-no theoretically but I don’t work out anyway lol.
They gave me pretty heavy painkillers in the hospital but ever since coming back home I’ve not taken any and haven’t felt any pain in the area.
Ah, Germany, close to me (🇳🇱). Wonderful, I’m so happy for you :D
I hope you feel much better!! I hope you celebrated it with a Blåhaj and nice food!
Do they offer surgeries in Germany in where you can get a self-lubricating vagina? What are all the options?
Ohh wat leuk haha! I celebrated a lot! Getting surgery was life-saving for me and my bottom dysphoria got so bad over the last year I’m so so glad I had the privilege to have surgery. As for options I didn’t really have any because I went to one of the very few (maybe the only one? I’m not sure) clinics that had less than a 2-3 year wait and they only offered standard penile inversion with some special enhancement only they do. To be completely honest with you I didn’t care much about the method or the details of getting one exact type of surgery. For me, just getting rid of my penis was the most important thing above all, by all means possible. I don’t know if I would’ve been able to wait years for a clinic that offers any other method so it wasn’t really a choice. But I think in Germany most of them do the same stuff anyway so it doesn’t matter that much. I’m very happy with what I got.
Oddly enough I obsessed A LOT over HRT and still do, the different methods and how it works etc. But with bottom surgery I didn’t research it that much, I just NEEDED to get it done so desperately, having a penis was literal torture for me and it got worse every day. Of course I looked at it enough to not get screwed over by doctors but it wasn’t nearly the amount of research & deep-diving I did with most other aspects of transition.
Neps
AnBeeWhen I realized and accepted that I’m trans. The period between realizing and fully accepting was very short because all the pieces fell in place almost immediately and there has never been any doubt in my mind. I remember feeling like I finally, finally found what my actual problem was and why I’ve been feeling like shit for half a century. I sat in the sun in my garden with a coffee and just smiled and felt like everything was right in the world. I had NO idea what I was getting myself into, but no ragrets. 😆