Here’s the thing: When you don’t vote, you COULD be saying that both candidates are bad, and you don’t like either of them…

Or you could be saying that both candidates are great, and you love both of them. That you’re sure either of them will do an equally good job of running the country, so it doesn’t matter who wins.

And if you don’t feel that way, then you need to VOTE

Acting like voting D would fix anything is a huge part of the problem.

Acting like not voting at all would fix anything is a huge part of the problem. Yeah the Democrats not going to do anything, but you know what that means, the Democrats won’t do anything. They won’t embarass America on the world stage every day, they won’t fund the Gestapo to assault minorities and they won’t threaten allies with invasion.

Sure the Democrats suck, the whole damn system sucks but it’s a whole lot better for a whole lot of people when the Republicans are not in charge.

I wouldn’t advocate for not voting, voting third party would be my advice if you don’t want to personally get involved in politics.

voting third party would be my advice

Hope that advice only applies to local/state elections, cuz voting 3rd party for president is about as useful as an asshole on your elbow.

The only reason its as ineffective as it is now is because of people like you spend a ridiculous amount of time and effort shaming those who might consider it.

Saying a third party couldn’t win is factually incorrect, yet its a common phrase on here isn’t it.

Only once has a third party candidate made much progress, and Perot was right-wing/libertarian. You can’t skip right to a third party presidential candidate without making progress with that party locally first, then in Congress. That just how this system works. You can pretend that enough people will spontaneously vote for your same third party candidate, but that’s a demonstrably a fantasy. You can claim that a vote reflects on your own morality rather than something strategic and practical, but that’s a view pushed by people hoping to take advantage of youth vanity and split the vote.

You can’t skip right to a third party presidential candidate without making progress with that party locally first

I swear to God. It’s like trying to tell a child you can’t have ice cream because you’re stranded on a desert island and they KEEP INSISTING that they want ice cream.

It’s infuriating.

Like, it isn’t complicated. You can’t start at the beginning of a board game, roll a 6, and move your piece 57 spaces to the end and win. That’s impossible.

It’s wild how many Americans exist outside reality.

This absolutely can happen, but its not popular in America. Americans just want to vote for their team, at least the majority of them.

And your example is absurd, Trump himself skipped the entire game, and then took over one of the parties.

The only wild thing here is that you lack any creative thought to find a better solution than to vote for democrats and hope the country doesn’t fall apart by the time you pass away.

No, they’re right - the Constitution says the person who receives the most votes is President. With the added fuckery of the Slaver’s College, third parties have an unbelievably hard lift to get anywhere close to President.

It’s just not going to happen without a huge base, and there isn’t one. There never is. Just stunt candidates ripping people off for fun & profit.

I guess we should keep voting for the people who are taking advantage of everyone else then.
As everyone is trying to point out, not voting against them also works.

I mean, does it?

Is the goal to make things worse or so unbearable that society does a 180 and says “Oh man, maybe voting for fascism isn’t such a great idea.” or does society just get beaten down and beaten down? How long does real society change take? It took slaves what, oh 200+ years? How’s Russia fairing these days?