Dan Fixes Coin-OpsFeb 10

Back in my day if a chat service went to shit we'd just delete it and use one of the six other chat programs on our computers that all our mates were spread between, and it really *was* a "just" in that scenario because everyone we talked to also had at least two other chat programs to talk to their other mates, we routed around enshittification effortlessly like a stream around the rocks

A chat program going to shit is normal, that's what they do, the aberration is that this time it's Big News because this one got way way way too big

Old man shouts at cloud

(EDIT: personally I like Jabber, ask around, one of your mutuals is probably running a server. Voice/video/images/groupchats OK, Jabber servers federate like fedi, chinwag can talk to trashserver can talk to disroot, doesn't matter where you sign up, or use Snikket or Prosody and run your own chat server on a proper server in the cloud or a shit old computer in your basement and give it a funny/obscene name; for an app use Conversations from F-Droid on Android or Siskin on apple phones, if you like browser-based then check out conversejs, embed a chat box on your website that can talk to other chat boxes on other websites, I Just Think It's Neat)

Show threadAndrew  Feb 10
@ifixcoinops back in my day everyone used IRC. We’d just go to another server.
Show threadrastilin

@piepants @ifixcoinops

Apparently people are now recommending "Matrix" and "Stoat", I haven't tried them yet but they might have potential.

I'm surprised we're not seeing IRC come back into fashion.

Feb 10 at 3:21amWeb
Show threadAndrew  Feb 10
@rastilin @ifixcoinops I’m looking into all 3 of those as potential future options. I’ve heard mixed things about Matrix being bloated and buggy though.
Show threadAndrew  Feb 10

@rastilin @ifixcoinops IRC might get a second wind the way things are going. I only just heard of IRCv3 today myself. https://ircv3.net/

However, voice chat is one thing I do use on Discord, so IRC isn’t a complete replacement.

Welcome - IRCv3

Welcome to the IRCv3 Working Group. We're a group of IRC client and server software authors working to improve the IRC protocol.

Show threadrastilinFeb 10

@piepants @ifixcoinops

Matrix is the distributed one right? Those are always going to be tricky to do.

Thanks for linking ircv3, I'll check it out. I've never used voice chat on Discord, but I do know a lot of people use it. Being able to post images is also good, just being able to say "look at this" and not having to arrange hosting for your random jpg.

Show threadAndrew  Feb 10
@rastilin @ifixcoinops there was a time I used IRC and Ventrillo or Teamspeak side by side, so I guess going full 2005 is not out of the question!
Show threadGustavoFeb 10
@piepants @rastilin @ifixcoinops
I checked the page and didn't find any extension focused on making it more friendly to mobile devices: classic IRC is a simple protocol, you could even connect to it using a telnet client, but it relies on a persistent TCP connection, which isn't ideal for mobile devices (mostly because of the persistent connection requirement). I used it a lot back in the fansubbing golden years, but I find it really hard to get popular now.
 
Show threadAndrew  Feb 10

@qgustavor @rastilin @ifixcoinops someone pointed out this client to me earlier, which seems to bridge those gaps. I haven’t had a chance to test it myself yet though.

https://github.com/ObsidianIRC/ObsidianIRC

GitHub - ObsidianIRC/ObsidianIRC: Modern IRC Client for the web, desktop and mobile.

Modern IRC Client for the web, desktop and mobile. - ObsidianIRC/ObsidianIRC

GitHub
Show threadSu_GFeb 10

@rastilin
Me too! “surprised we're not seeing #IRC come back into fashion.” [#InternetRelayChat ] 🙂

@piepants @ifixcoinops

Show threadMWTFeb 10
@rastilin @piepants @ifixcoinops @Su_G the main reason I moved away from IRC was that you need a continuous internet connection on an always on computer, if you want to idle properly. I stopped having that when I shifted to laptops and smartphones.
Show threadAndrew  Feb 10
@mwt @rastilin @ifixcoinops @Su_G IRCv3 looks to be addressing that.