FelixCressThe same rights
amniotic druidMy biggest gripe with cyclists is that they act like a car when it’s convenient and a pedestrian when it’s convenient
eksbCyclists act like a cyclist when it is convenient and like a pedestrian when it is convenient.
Cyclists act like a car when it is the only way to avoid getting killed in car-centric hellscapes.
I watch cyclists every day hop right off the road at red lights just to use the pedestrian cross walk out of turn and skip the wait. There is literally no reason to do this other than having a death wish.
SLVRDRGNI don’t think you are mature enough to have a driver’s license. You should probably turn it back to where you got it from and leave driving to the adults
Perhaps it is safer cycling across a crosswalk while the only other traffic is pedestrians, instead of going with the flow of cars when cars turning left or right can run you over.
Perhaps you can run over pedestrians if you do so? FFS, just stop making the ashole moves you accuse car drivers of, if you want to be taken seriously!
Never went to ER with a kid almost by killed by a 100kg male with a racing bicycle, didn’t you?
No, but I did go to the hospital with by boyfriend who got run over while riding straight on a straight road with right of way by a car turning left without stopping at the stop sign, so if all you want to do is throw around anecdotes be my guest. Statistics say way more people (including kids on sidewalks) get hurt by cars.
I dont want to throw anecdotes, but as a walking parent I see way to much cyclists bevaving like assholes.
Is it really this hard to accept that requesting the right of way on a street ( which I wont debate - don’t get me wrong here!), induces giving it to pedestrians too?
All this comments are full of people whining how the are endagered by cars, while using this to justify endangering pedestrian.
Do you really think thats justified?
I’m saying that statistically cyclists endangering pedestrians is a non-issue because it happens so much more rarely than cars endangering pedestrians or cyclists. Bringing it up all the time only fuels carbrains and car lobbies.
And I say a comment section full of people justifying the fact that act wrongfully, illegal and dangerous is not to be rectified by a the fact that others are harmful.
I wouldn’t say cars are not dangerous, but - be the statistics as it may - grown ups may use the sidewalk if they walk. Shall they skip the redlight as much as they want. As long if they get off them bikes.
What I see here, though not by you specifically, is at best carbrain attitude transferred in cyclists. People saying “me” first and don’t act up to the rights they demand by keeping the obligation in mind. You don’t want to get hurt and thats fine. Why don’t they think a second to realize that pedestrians dont want to, too?
I feel like have made my point and if there really is no way to agree, than it may be so. I have to stay alert when I’ m out with the kids anyway…
Actually just today I saw two incidents making me think, that the ones I despise may have just loaded their bycicles off their BMWs and acted up to what they really are: reckless driviers. No matter whether they are in lycra or in lether seats.
Do you even cycle?
There are several reasons to do this:
- Most of the sensors that make the lights change will not sense bicycles, so the light will never change.
- In many places, getting a jump on the car traffic between the light and the next is much safer, because you are getting passed mid-block instead of at the intersection, where you are much more likely to be hit by a turning car.
- Jumping the light usually means being noticed by drivers while you are moving and they are not, which is great because drivers are notoriously bad at noticing at noticing anything smaller than a 7-11 when they are moving. I have been hit 4 times while stopped at stop signs and red lights, three of which while IN MY CAR, because drivers simply cannot be trusted to pay attention.
- Usually waiting at the light with the cars means the car in front of you is belching exhaust right into your face.
I now live in a city with very good cycling infrastructure, and a vast majority of people wait for the light, because when the infrastructure is designed well, it is safer to do so.
Im a cyclist. I know this bugs people.
The thing is the only explanation is envy?
Like if im on the road and then on a path and then back on the road… who cares?
Obviously you need to be sharing the road or the path with other users and not cutting infront of people, obeying laws, being courteous and predictable et cetera.
But what really is so offensive about being a more versatile vehicle?
Bikes need to stop for red lights and stop signs. It’s not envy… I’ve seen cars get T-boned after running a red light, you will not survive that on a bike.
I don’t care if you share the road, as long as you follow the rules. If you switch to a path , be aware of pedestrians just like cars have to be aware of bikes. Safety first.
Bikes need to stop for red lights and stop signs.
How is this relevant to bikes behaving as both cars and pedestrians ?
I said bikes need to obey laws.
Why does it bother you so much that cyclists behave both as cars and as pedestrians?
Perhaps you can run over pedestrians if you do so? FFS, just stop making the ashole moves you accuse car drivers of, if you want to be taken seriously! Never went to ER with a kid almost by killed by a 100kg male with a racing bicycle, didn’t you?
Look im sorry you had that experience, but im not really sure how its relevant here?
Was that guy avoiding an intersection by riding on the foot path? Seems unlikely for a racing bike.
Plenty of people screaming around on bikes unsafely - no doubt about that.
Yes he was doing just that. Switching paths to avoid a red light.
I pretty much just don’t believe you.
Even if this is true, and a big heavy guy on a racing bike was riding on the side walk and collided with your child, that sounds like an awful and dangerous situation but it doesn’t really change things?
Cars have accidents all the time, bikes have accidents too, sometimes bikes and cars have accidents, some times cars and people have accidents, and sometimes bikes and people have accidents.
In a given incident one or more participants may have been reckless or acted unlawfully, but that doesn’t mean that their mode of transport is inherently dangerous.
I never said riding bicycles is inherently dangerous to pedestrians. I just say they are, if they switch to the pavement in full speed.
I think you are unnecessarily offensive and I really dont get, why I have to defend common sense by stating that I am not fine with people taking traffic rules in there own hands and endangering others.
Guess i missed the part stating that this comment section is reckless drivers circle jerk…
*dropsout
I’ve seen cars get T-boned after running a red light, you will not survive that on a bike.
Ok, let them earn their Darwin award, that’s their decision to make. Same with riding without a helmet, I don’t really care if someone else has a death wish.
It becomes a problem when they’re endangering other people, that’s why cars running red lights is wrong. A car running a red light is orders of magnitude more dangerous to everyone around it than a bicycle.
It literally is just crab bucket “If I’m stuck in traffic, so should you.” Especially in America, its not uncommon for drivers to block motorcycles from filtering at a red light.
I do not care if you want to ride around at 5mph but if you’re at a stop light, do not hop up the sidewalk just to claim pedestrian privileges by running through the intersection because when I hit you and kill you it’ll raise my insurance rates (because you also don’t have insurance). If you want to act like a car, take on the obligations of being one, otherwise stay off the roads.
spankinspinachWhy though? There’s no law against it anywhere I’ve ever ridden, and so long as I do so safely and predictably, it’s not your problem.
borariActually here the bike lanes sweep up onto a separate path at roundabouts, then back into a bike lane after the roundabout.
Its designed this way because being a cyclist on a roundabout is obscenely dangerous.
In this particular case youre not really stealing pedestrian privileges, the bike lane is designed that way.
In other cases, I just cant imagine someone hopping up onto the foot path just to skip a stop sign. It sounds absurd honestly.
NighedIt’s because we CAN become a pedestrian. Get off and pick up the bike, tada!
The problem is that it’s very easy to slip into pretending your a pedestrian while ON the bike. It’s mostly fine, as if you are going slow, it’s really not a problem, but some will obviously take it too far.
I get annoyed at cyclists jumping lights, gives us a bad name, it is required sometimes though, bikes don’t set off the under road sensors for traffic lights