Here's what I'm wondering about EVs. When will they get to the point where there is NO operational downside over a petrol vehicle?

I did a calculation last week. The average distance I have driven my Mazda 3, per day, over its lifetime. Wanna guess, before I give the answer in my next paragraph?

The answer is less than twenty kilometres. Per day. In over 19 years. And that's using it more than I actually need to. I do not, most of the time, need to drive to the local railway station during the week.

What I *do* use it for is to drive to Rotorua to visit family. This is why I have range anxiety, and it is *real*. Because in Aotearoa, once you get 100km from a city centre... there is bugger all!

I've looked at "normal" range EVs. Most of them can't get to Taihape from my place (and I'm already north of Wellington). So where, exactly, am I going to spend half an hour charging up? I'd consider Bulls, but then none of them have the legs to do the rest of the trip in one go. So it would be Bulls *and* Taihape/Waiouru.

Driving my ICE car, I fill up once before I leave either end. That's it. I don't *think* about "where can I fill up?" Because I know I don't need to. I used to drive a smaller car that would comfortably make Hamilton on a single tank.

Even if I concede to *shudder* spend time in Hunterville, how many EVs can conceivably do that at once? Two? Four? It might depend on how many chargers are working. Last I looked, Turangi — a tourist town — had four. Total. On State Highway 1 for goodness sake.

Let me know when there are at least a dozen (working) chargers in Levin, Bulls, Hunterville, Taihape, Waiouru, Turangi, and Taupo (near SH1 — I never stop in Taupo any more).

Or, give me a *reasonably priced* car that can comfortably do 500km through the central North Island, including in winter.

We're not there yet. Car commuters (certainly in Welly) have no excuse. I've been electric commuting for over 20 years straight.

@zkarj "once you get to 100KM from a city center, there's fuck all" is right, for fucking everything. it's fucking awful. I' right in the middle of Wellington and it's only barely barely dense/big enough for me
@freya @zkarj this is quite a good point in itself!
@Niall @zkarj I grew up in Tauranga, and fucking hell part of me wonders whether raising kids in that shithole should be considered some form of child abuse. but oh my gods this country is terrified of, like, cities. and density. and cheap pre-cooked food for disabled people. I swear to the goddess hald the folks in this country haven't noticed it's not 1973 yet

@freya @Niall I have visited Tauranga exactly three times in my life. Can confirm it feels like being abused.

I know it's a growing "town" but they're punching above their weight when it comes to traffic. I mean... worse than Auckland? Yuuup.

Sorry @essjax. At least I know you're not a native. 😁

@zkarj @Niall @essjax growing town my HRT-assisted tits. it's the bastard offspring of a bloody fishing village and a retirement community wearing the clothes of its much hotter older sister and fake ID to try and get into bars. I grew up in Mt Maunganui (bad) and Welcome Bay (worse). the whitest, quietest, "safest" places in the world to raise kids, where they will never learn a thing outside the little parent-approved bubble.

@Niall @freya it's all relative. As a lifelong Wellingtonian, I find Auckland too big and busy. I lived there for a year in the early aughts.

I was having a haircut and made this observation to the stylist. She was from some eastern European city. She said she found Auckland "quaint". 😂

@zkarj @Niall as a girlie who's lived in Seattle and a few other places, 'quaint' can describe most of bloody NZ. tiny little country I swear to fuck, trying really really hard to pretend that "oh well we're just a slow-moving chill little set of islands! she'll be riiiight mate, no need to change or grow or stop sprawling out into endlesly bland suburbs where kids learn nothing and grow up isolated..."

I'ma stop now before I go on a rant about the destructive nature of "she'll be right" culture

@zkarj very valid question and really, if you need 2 cars anyway, an efficient ICE is the way. You can't beat a Prius :)
Otherwise go to the darkside*. Tesla superchargers are in the right places, comparatively plentiful, fast and in my experience reliable.
Plenty of people are working on improving the fastcharger situation (including my current clients) so hopefully it won't be too long before this isn't (such) an issue.
^ I think a lot of the newer superchargers are available to any EV but because I've had a Tesla for years and years and intend to keep it until it dies I haven't paid close attention to this oft-promised feature.
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Public transport! Imagine not having to drive at all! A fast, efficient train service would be better than any electric car present or future. :-)