why is china the bad guy?

Authoritarian capitalistic state?

For all the tankies disagreeing simply ask yourself two questions:

Who owns the means of production in a socialist society?

Who owns the means of production in China?

Everything else follows from there

Good luck trying to state the obvious here, lots of tankies on lemmy.ml (as you can see from the other replies)

A tankie is when people point out you don’t understand what you’re talking about and are just regurgitating talking points and it makes you feel bad.

Come to China I can give you a tour I can translate so you can talk to the locals and you can see we’re humans too not just some brainwashed peasant “untermensch”. You chauvinist loser.

When did I say chinese people arent people? Are you replying to the wrong comment? You sound like you are 14 with your reading skills and going straight to insults.

You are a loser. You don’t view us as independent people who have our own views on our country. You ignore the fact that even western outlets report over 80% of us support the government. But none of that matters to you because we’re just peasants brainwashed by the evil “authoritarians”.

Does lemmy.ml include entirety of China? Because I was only talking about lemmy.ml. Again, you sure you replied to the right comment?

QinShiHuangsShlong was clearly explaining how you are utterly mistaken about China. When Chinese tell you that public ownership is principle (ie controls the commanding heights), that the working classes run the state, and an overwhelming number support the CPC, your response is that it’s “stating the obvious” to say otherwise. This stems from a sheer distrust of the words of Chinese people, and is why your comment is chauvanist.

They said I dont see Chinese people as people instead of focusing on the ‘stating the obvious’ part. They literally came up with something I never said to support their point.

When you’re denying China’s system as socialist, despite what Chinese say and the reasons they give, it points to a distrust of Chinese people themselves.

That makes not sense at all, people in China are diverse and numerous with many different opinions and experiences. Don’t just band them together as if they are all the same.

I didn’t, I simply stated that the overwhelming majority of Chinese citizens support their socialist system and consider it as such. Against them, you claim that private ownership is somehow principle despite being relegated to secondary industries and medium/small firms, and claim that the bourgeoisie are in charge of the state despite evidence to the contrary.

On what basis do you believe what you do?

Dont move the goal post. You are trying to prove my comment somehow dehumanizes the entirety of the Chinese population, how does that make sense? When did I say or treat the WHOLE chinese population as less than human with my words?

I’m not moving the goal posts, I’m explaining why your comments are seen as dehumanizing and chauvanist. It’s tied directly to your distrust of statistics coming from China and your distrust of China’s system being what it actually is. If you can give credible evidence supporting your views, then you can clear your name, if you’re just going to say “it’s obvious” then it’s clear that you don’t actually have such evidence, and that it’s likely pure chauvanism.

So if I disagree that China is socialist it automatically means I think Chinese aren’t people? My distrust of the statics is directly tied to the chienese government not the people. It make not make sense to you but it is possible to disagree with the government of a country without dehumanizing its people, I disagree with the government of the USA for example, and often my own country’s.

If you disagree with what the overwhelming majority of Chinese people say about their own system out of your distrust for the Chinese government, and have no credible reasons to do so, then yes, it’s chauvanism and dehumanizes Chinese citizens. It means they can’t think for themselves, in your eyes, and are just “brainwashed” by “evil.”

Explain your views, why isn’t China socialist despite public ownership being principle and the working classes controlling the state?

Does lemmy.ml represent the majority of the Chinese people? Do you? If its statics, that comes from the government, not directly the people. And disagreeing does not dehumanize people, that is such an authoritarian view I can’t even. You disagree with the majority of the western world about China, does that mean you are dehumanizing them?

Western organizations have found that over 90% of the population approve the government, which is shown to be consistent and accurate. This isn’t coming from the government, but from western orgs directly asking Chinese people. Further, despite evidence that the government of China isn’t lying about public ownership being principle, and the transparent form of democracy we can view, you still don’t trust the government’s claims either!

I do disagree with what the majority of the west says about a different country that they’ve mythologized for centuries, yes. That’s not dehumanizing the west, it’s acknowledging a different class interest. You’re disagreeing with what Chinese people say about themselves, and are framing it as them being brainwashed into doing so, incapable of thinking for themselves.

Explain your views, why isn’t China socialist despite public ownership being principle and the working classes controlling the state?

That blogsite doesnt have direct links to the sources, do you?

So you can disagree but I can’t, interesting point of view.

Mind you, you have only talked about government approval so far, not perception of the state as socialist or not. But let me entertain you and pretend that is true (even though it is absurd). Lets also pretend that disagreeing with someone (only when it is me, you can apparently) dehumanizes people. 80% of the chinese people believe the country is a socialist country, disagreeing with them constitutes disagreeing with 80% of the country (by your flawed logic), does that me I dehumanized the ENTIRETY of the chinese people?

It does have direct links, like to Harvard here. There’s a major difference with disagreeing with everything the majority of Chinese people say about themselves, and with disagreeing with what the majority of Statesians say about Chinese people. Disagreement itself isn’t wrong, it’s disagreeing with easily verifiable statistics and facts regarding ownership and support.