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F/15/I mean, who is surprised by this? Genuinely. Do you know anyone who is surprised by billionaires billionairing? Because I don’t.
whotookkarlMany Americans not only get they news just from American sources, they also limit to just their preferred propaganda source like a major network (fox, abc, CNN, etc) or nontraditional source (newsmax, Breitbart, Joe Rogan podcasts, Facebook, etc). It’s the same as someone in Russia only listening to RT or a Brit only considering BBC, etc. If you only listen to one or two agreeing sources it’s very difficult to tell what is being left out or distorted on purpose without perspective & understanding the biases of the sources they consume.
pewresearch.org/…/the-political-gap-in-americans-…
It’s just conjecture not supported by the article, but I suspect most Americans would say their 1-2 news sources are unbiased or very little bias as opposed to understanding how they are actually biased.
Not that I doubt it, I don’t, but uhhh…
Source? Please?
chickenthat’s like saying my source is in a book in the library. not really useful
yhea, but which book?
are you aware what analogies are?
you didn’t link a book, but the whole library.
Okay so then again. It doesn’t matter what book I choose as a source. They are all about what the post is about.
So cite which documents support the claim. If it’s so easy it shouldn’t be hard to do. You’re basically replying to a statement of that’s illegal and being asked to cite what is illegal by saying reference all of the legal caselaw. It may be technically correct but it’s useless. There is a reason academics and legal scholars say reference paragraph x of book y etc. if you can’t provide easy examples why would I buy your claim?
Put up or shut up.
Are you unclear on the typical meaning of “just” in this context?
One does not “just” read a three million page document.
mfed1122Since the evidence for the claim is, according to you, omnipresent in the documents, it should be easy for you to point to just one single specific document that supports your claim. Can you please provide just one?
What are you doing? What do you gain from this?
I had to check your post history because your behavior in this thread legit made me think you were a nazi. I’m not saying you have to believe things blindly, but like… seriously, what are you getting out of this?
If me asking for a source for something makes you think that I’m a Nazi, you need to seriously reevaluate the way that you interpret behaviors.
What I get out of asking for specific sources is, hopefully, specific sources. The reason why I want specific sources is so that my beliefs can be based on fact, rather than screenshots of posts on social media. I am extremely wary of blindly believing things just because I want them to be true or because it fits my worldview as is. That is a dangerous path which leads to a lot of misconceptions and stupidity. It is exactly the kind of behavior that we see among the Nazis and so many other people. So as part of my continued effort to avoid being like that type of person, it is crucial that I only believe things that I see evidence for.
You need to consider the way you look in public. Asking for a source is not the problem.
I cannot tell the difference between your contempt for people who are stupider than you and someone else intentionally sealioning or JAQing for the purpose of distracting or deflecting criticism away from the global pedophile ring. Your aggression is what I take issue with.
i was wondering if the people who weren’t aware of this were holed up in facebook or reddit, but i guess diet-reddit makes sense too.
Can you provide a single specific document that even suggests evidence of the OP’s claim? If not, then what is your “awareness” based on? A Mastodon post?
lemmy keeps giving me lessons on how uninformed people are, both willfully and accidentally.
i chose to believe that’s it’s the latter here and urge you to pay attention to the epstein files where it pertains to 4chan.
Okay, but as you know, the Epstein files are extremely vast and it’s hard to find specific discussion of them anyways. So, since you are considering yourself much more informed, and since you presumably got that information from a specific document in the Epstein files, it would be nice of you to just provide that document here. Because I’m sure there are lots of Epstein files I could look through that pertain to Forchan that wouldn’t tell me anything of value. And it’s not really fair to expect someone to waste potentially 50 hours of their time… Especially when you claim to already know what part is relevant. It feels like you’re keeping your source a secret lol
it’s your own bare bones responsibility as a functioning adult in society to keep yourself informed, but i can do your job for you if you pay me for it; i charge $500,000 usd per page.
if you don’t want to pay you can either use the search function at the epstein release website or you can follow someone on social media who have decided to do this for free.
i also recommend updating/changing your current information sources if none of them made you aware of this already.
You recommend changing my information sources to ones that would make me aware of this - I like this earnest suggestion. Can you tell me one of these information sources?
start here: www.justice.gov/epstein
search for 4chan and start reading.
Another good one theverge.com/…/epstein-thiel-musk-trump-metoo
Well, they were right to be outraged. We can only hope that some of them have the moral integrity to maintain some sense of (I cant find the right word) fortitude following the revelation that the perpetrators are “their people” and not a bunch of rich and powerful liberals.
Also elevatorgate, watch the videos of Rebecca Watson!
I don’t understand. This is just an image of a tweet.
ochestated by RUSSIA mostly, working with the billionaires, almost any comment you see online has been suspected of being a russian bot at some point.
AlaknárI’m on the web since 90s and I saw this unroll first hand. The social media gave people immense power to organize and validate each other and it took a while for the billionaires to catch up but once they learned of this power they had no choice but to oppose it. They succeeded and now we generally treat social media as net negative and fight “the woke” for them using our own resources.
It’s not a unique, new problem. This what happens with every almost every new technology which starts as legit useful tool that gets captured by bad actors. This is why decentralization and societal hedging is important - we must move quickly, broadly and embrace new tech before the big battleship of doom turns towards us. Guerilla warfare on the bleeding edge is the best path forward!
Thanks for coming to my ted talk 🙏
Epstein had a conversation with m00t, and the same day, 4chan put out /pol, the board that infected the rest of the site with the right-wing sentiment it’s currently known for, in addition to being ground zero for basically all conservative neo-nazi culture today.
This among many other things.
I believe this post, like many others are correlating the creation of the /pol/ board on 4chan after moot had a conversation with Epstein or something.
Acting like /pol/ and 4chan is solely responsible for the entire situation is just a vapid braindead take, much less the idea that a political board on a popular forum hangout is some meniacal master plan…
Obviously all this Epstein shit is heinous af, but acting like he’s the origin of all evil just fucking hilarious “this is your brain on religion” logic. That being said, Epstein would definitely make a good “Satan’s avatar” in a story…
Firstly, what do you mean solely responsible, secondly, groypers, pepe the frog, wojaks, incels, the proud boys, whoever was running Ron Desantis’ media accounts and throwing sonnenrads behind his head in promotional videos, and many people currently working for Trump right now have roots in 4chan.
Frankly, I think you’re getting a bit defensive.
And? 4chan was a shithole. I don’t know why I’d be defensive over it.
I just thinking blaming edgelord neckbeards with terminal online syndrome for the current political landscape is a cop-out and naive at BEST.
If that’s a defensive position to take of 4chan your bar is extremely low.
A cop-out from what?
Appropriately attributing blame to those who perpetuate it. It is possible that 4chan was a useful tool, but 4chan itself is hardly invested it keeping everyone divided to pull people away from actual issues.
They also pale in comparison to the influence political leaders, mass media, and billionaires have.
But the internet is mass media.
Billionaires that want to influence people find them in places like Reddit, Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, and yes, 4chan.
The fact that 4chan is a wild west, rules-less zone is why nazis congregate there the most (or used to, Twitter is basically rules-less now), and that’s why it was able to operate as a cultural think-tank.
I take it back, I don’t think you’re defensive, I think you just find the idea of funny green frogs unraveling democracy too embarassing to consider.
There is a lot of blame to go around but 4ch was the face of it and the place to foment, it’s not a cop-out to suggest that in the same capacity GamerGate was the direct project of Steve Bannon there is a degree of “culture-bending” by people who see the culture’s stress points. The scars go back to the foundation of the country sure, but people actively work to keep the wounds open and weeping. How do they do that? Were they supposed to take power through one-off wing nuts like Timothy McVeigh, Randy Weaver, William Luther Pierce? Those guys could be incendiary but they couldn’t penetrate the culture itself, the right had to come up with a way to sell their shit in the 21st century. 4chan brought them all onto the information superhighway, merging the culture of Something Awful, Stormfront, and every contrian-filled anime BBS board. It doesn’t all trace back to Epstein but it does all trace back to class war, white supremacy, sex trafficking, and patriarchal chauvanism, and these were the tools available to them.
I think I agree with everything you said except that 4chan was the face of it. Even in the digital realm alone, there are far larger and far more toxic avenues, and one of the largest is staring at most everyone in the face every day. Facebook has been far worse imo than 4chan could ever dream to be, for the very same reasons 4chan is condemned.
I’ll concede that could be my subjective viewpoint tho based on my interactions with both of them.