mathemachristian[he]Feb 4

Banned for pointing out anti-vegan trolls past behaviour

https://lemmy.ml/post/42668945

Banned for pointing out anti-vegan trolls past behaviour - Lemmy

## In short ## I got a reply from a prolific anti-vegan troll and referred them back to an earlier conversation we had. Got banned for “harassment” and “following someone around” when in fact they replied to me and keep following vegans around when they post against anti-vegan propaganda. The 14-day ban and comment removals by @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.world/u/aeronmelon]: https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/45638?page=1&actionType=All&modId=6106918&userId=18352111 [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/45638?page=1&actionType=All&modId=6106918&userId=18352111] mod Banned mathemachristian he/him from the community Microblog [email protected] reason: If you have nothing better to do than to follow someone else around. expires: in 13 days mod Removed Comment Oh hey its you (link to https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/15837346) by mathemachristian he/him reason: Harassment, attempted brigading. mod Removed Comment Oh hey its you (link to https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/15837346) by mathemachristian he/him reason: Harassment, attempted brigading. [https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/3ac4e335-809d-469f-af29-dd104722483e.png] And the posts in question: * https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19014218 [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19014218] * https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19014077 [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19014077] ## With background ## @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/commie] is a very dedicated anti-vegan troll [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/search?q=vegan&type=Comments&listingType=All&creatorId=1907677&page=6&sort=New&titleOnly=false] whos trolling style Sartre best described for anti-semites: > Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity > of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to > challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who > is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The > anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with > discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the > seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, > since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and > disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall > silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is > past. Indeed they constantly make non-sequitur claims as replies to vegans, in the hopes of roping then into a defensive position under the guise of “debate”. Should someone engage them, they will use every sealioning, debatebro tactic in the book to tire her self-declared opponent out. No source is ever good enough, no proof ever strict enough etc. But when pressed to defend a claim they made they will promptly drop the conversation. To exemplify this I engaged with them a couple months ago and got a perfect showcase [lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/15837346] of their behaviour. I had never used this and have never replied to them since then (at least I don’t remember that I have and searching didn’t turn anything up). But then when they replied to me yesterday I did. And got promptly banned for “harassment” and “following someone around”. I messaged the mod who banned me to no reply. Their behaviour is being enabled by lemmy.world mods like @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.world/u/aeronmelon] who will readily delete comments made by vegans should they dare step a foot outside of the norms of “civilized debate”, like e.g. in the same thread (1) [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19012827] and (2) [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/18964864]. The petulant and incessant trolling by @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/commie] is of course never subject to such moderation actions. And by incessant I really do mean that, they will turn up in every larger discussion about veganism. To any vegan comrades, do not engage this troll, you risk getting banned and your comments deleted. It’s not worth it, this person chooses and is committed to being blind. Antiveganism is a declared mission [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/14217056/9673328] of theirs.

Show threadUnruffled [they/them]Feb 4

Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.

FYI It’s not appropriate to use this comm to target a user who has not taken mod actions against you. Please edit your post accordingly. If you wish to report a user, you can do so using the normal channels. This comm is specifically for complaining about power tripping mods/admins.

However, if you feel mods have not taken appropriate action against a reported user, in your opinion, then you can complain about those mods here, preferably without identifying the user in question. In that case, please make sure you explain what mod actions you feel would be more appropriate, so we can have that discussion.

Show threadmathemachristian[he]Feb 4

This is about the comment removal and ban by @[email protected]. Well more the reason for it, I have received many ridiculous bans before, for longer times even, but accusing me of “harassment” and “following someone around” in the modlog where I can’t reply is fairly egregious.

I felt this much context was necessary to show why I remembered (and even bookmarked) a discussion I had with the person months ago. It is pretty hard to show that I am not stalking someone so I went with adding as much context as possible.

I agree that the focus very much gets pulled from the mod and to the other user, but this is at it’s core about the accusations that got put in the modlog, so that at least I have noted a defense for it while it’s still fresh. Since these modlog accusations tend to compound like for e.g. another ban I received for calling out Germany’s complicity in the Palestinian genocide citing all the other bans I had received.

It is also to call out the double standard in moderation where this user seems to never be at the receiving end of mod actions despite (rather obviously imo) engaging in bad faith behaviour.

I’ll trim it down, please have a look again in 5 minutes. I don’t think anonymizing the other party will be possible however since my comment is in direct reply to them, even references a discussion I had with them and ultimately it is an accusation that I’m “following them around”. Very hard to talk about while completely omitting who “they” are.

Modlog - Blåhaj Lemmy

Lemmy

Show threadUnruffled [they/them]Feb 4
Ok I think that’s fair enough, thanks.
Show threadmathemachristian[he]
Thank you
Feb 5 at 7:11amWeb