wyatta whole class of the old computers i like will become infinitely less usable under linux in particular the moment toolkits stop supporting X, and this is a genuine problem that should be taken seriously instead of saying "you should just buy shiny new AI-enabled razor thin bendable NPU thing and encourage the bastards ruining tech and just use wayland bro"
hatzka@wyatt framing it as about supporting "the old computers I like" is really not that persuasive tbh. you, personally, preferring older computers is not a reason anyone owes you continued X development. and to anticipate the obvious response: ewaste is a huge problem in general and should be properly reckoned with, but I don't believe the number of computers affected (those that are in active use with up-to-date graphical desktops, and could continue being so for a while yet, but that are old enough that they absolutely need X) is actually all that significant.
@hatzka
1) gain some sympathy for the fact that others are not you and that other value structures are not inherently wrong
2) I did not ask you
3) what did you possibly intend to accomplish by posting this (other than pissing me the fuck off)?
4) there's a secret fourth thing I was thinking of saying to you but I am abstaining from saying it in case I am totally misconstruing something and you aren't actually being a colossal "gnome maintainer" style jerk
1) gain some sympathy for the fact that others are not you and that other value structures are not inherently wrong
2) I did not ask you
3) what did you possibly intend to accomplish by posting this (other than pissing me the fuck off)?
4) there's a secret fourth thing I was thinking of saying to you but I am abstaining from saying it in case I am totally misconstruing something and you aren't actually being a colossal "gnome maintainer" style jerk
@wyatt was this meant to be a vent post? I'm genuinely sorry if I misunderstood. it seemed to me to be trying to persuade the reader (not me personally ofc, but whoever came across it) so I responded with that in mind.
@hatzka I thought my initial posts calling people "the bastards ruining tech" was enough of a sign that I was angry
I would like for everyone to reconsider what they actually fucking need, and why these changes are actually fucking necessary.
I would like for everyone to reconsider what they actually fucking need, and why these changes are actually fucking necessary.
@wyatt of course I can tell you're angry, but that's not what I meant. if you were only venting, this would be absolutely on me for misunderstanding. but it sounds to me like you are trying to convince people, and if that's the case, then I think it's only fair to expect them (us) to respond in kind. isn't that how conversation works? (this is not a rhetorical question; it's still entirely possible I've misunderstood what you were/are doing)