Banned for pointing out anti-vegan trolls past behaviour

https://lemmy.ml/post/42668945

Banned for pointing out anti-vegan trolls past behaviour - Lemmy

## In short ## I got a reply from a prolific anti-vegan troll and referred them back to an earlier conversation we had. Got banned for “harassment” and “following someone around” when in fact they replied to me and keep following vegans around when they post against anti-vegan propaganda. The 14-day ban and comment removals by @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.world/u/aeronmelon]: https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/45638?page=1&actionType=All&modId=6106918&userId=18352111 [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog/45638?page=1&actionType=All&modId=6106918&userId=18352111] mod Banned mathemachristian he/him from the community Microblog [email protected] reason: If you have nothing better to do than to follow someone else around. expires: in 13 days mod Removed Comment Oh hey its you (link to https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/15837346) by mathemachristian he/him reason: Harassment, attempted brigading. mod Removed Comment Oh hey its you (link to https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/15837346) by mathemachristian he/him reason: Harassment, attempted brigading. [https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/3ac4e335-809d-469f-af29-dd104722483e.png] And the posts in question: * https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19014218 [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19014218] * https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19014077 [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19014077] ## With background ## @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/commie] is a very dedicated anti-vegan troll [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/search?q=vegan&type=Comments&listingType=All&creatorId=1907677&page=6&sort=New&titleOnly=false] whos trolling style Sartre best described for anti-semites: > Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity > of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to > challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who > is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The > anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with > discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the > seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, > since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and > disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall > silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is > past. Indeed they constantly make non-sequitur claims as replies to vegans, in the hopes of roping then into a defensive position under the guise of “debate”. Should someone engage them, they will use every sealioning, debatebro tactic in the book to tire her self-declared opponent out. No source is ever good enough, no proof ever strict enough etc. But when pressed to defend a claim they made they will promptly drop the conversation. To exemplify this I engaged with them a couple months ago and got a perfect showcase [lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/15837346] of their behaviour. I had never used this and have never replied to them since then (at least I don’t remember that I have and searching didn’t turn anything up). But then when they replied to me yesterday I did. And got promptly banned for “harassment” and “following someone around”. I messaged the mod who banned me to no reply. Their behaviour is being enabled by lemmy.world mods like @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.world/u/aeronmelon] who will readily delete comments made by vegans should they dare step a foot outside of the norms of “civilized debate”, like e.g. in the same thread (1) [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/19012827] and (2) [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/18964864]. The petulant and incessant trolling by @[email protected] [/u/[email protected]] [https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/commie] is of course never subject to such moderation actions. And by incessant I really do mean that, they will turn up in every larger discussion about veganism. To any vegan comrades, do not engage this troll, you risk getting banned and your comments deleted. It’s not worth it, this person chooses and is committed to being blind. Antiveganism is a declared mission [https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/14217056/9673328] of theirs.

It seems like commie is less about anti-veganism and more about anti-poorly-formed-arguments.

In the pictured comment chain, the quote text asked OP to prove the absence of something (sentience in plants). Then Commie later admitted that it was impossible to do so. And from the start, the claim that plants are sentient is likely one that no one involved actually believes. I cannot think why you would make such an objection other than to exhaust someone and waste their time.

And even if plants were somehow sentient, it would still be less harmful to eat them directly than raising animals to eat due to the massive calorie loss from going up the food chain. Having animals be a middle man for humanity’s consumption would result in more plants being killed, not fewer. OP touched on this briefly in their replies. Meaning that even if it was intended to object to veganism, the argument only adds an additional reason to adopt it.

OP did imply an objection to the plant sentience claim disproved it, which is the wrong response, but only because they should have rejected it out of hand as something unfalsifiable. Commie chose to be pedantic that it could still be true.

There’s not enough here to judge Commie as a troll, but they did support a spurious argument much more than OP.

my whole point was that it is unfalsifiable. I did what you are saying they should have done.