Recently, I was thinking about why men¹ talk over women, and I think it's less a gender thing, and more of a...

"men¹ are taught to talk over anyone who doesn't talk more assertively than they do"

In my roles as an executive at several tech companies, the one negative feedback I got on almost every review was that I wasn't assertive enough in meetings with other execs. One male CEO even told me "you need to interrupt more, talk more—even if you don't know the answer. Otherwise they'll think you don't have anything to say". Which, honestly, churned my stomach.

The feedback was clear, if I wanted to succeed I needed to talk like the guys¹ in the boardroom—the same ones¹ who'd interrupt to ask a question I was already in the middle of explaining, who'd repeat a suggestion I'd just made—only louder, who'd make some cute comment that would derail my presentation, who'd explain my position back to me as though they'd just thought of it.

I needed to do that...and I needed to do it louder.

Otherwise men¹ weren't going to listen to me.

¹ not all men

@alice I wonder whether it's OK to say that they may have been giving you well-intentioned advice about how the game is played, despite the fact that the game fucking blows. And it assumes that you want to play the same game that they're playing, which is again a huge assumption. Having been on both the assertive and less-assertive side, the advice might not be bad advice... if you want to follow their definition of success (which is assumed to be everyone's - more money and/or power). And I suspect many would choose to play a different game, if they thought one was available. But assertiveness/confidence is almost the only character/personality trait that is selected for, as you get into the upper echelons (again, not an endorsement from my end, just an observation that feels true-ish). Reminds me of this lovely meme I just saw: https://mastodon.social/@wildsown/115999715177871594