I see a lot of comments dismissing the information because of it use of AI for the graphics. Would it being received better if the post was simpli a list of bullet points? I couldn’t do graphics if my life depended on it, but I still feel this presentation is easier to digest and process than it’d be if it was plain text, so I’d probably go the same route of using AI to better convey what I’m trying to.

Do you think the only choices are AI art or not?

Whoever “made” this could have easily used the plethora of media freely available to them, pre-made by human artists, for each point in this. Clipart is decades old.

Or they could absolutely ditch the artwork and choose a different way to present this! The de-google guides that always pop up rarely have images. It’s all simple shapes that are easy to read and look at.

There is absolutely zero need for AI here.

I couldn’t do graphics if my life depended on it

Yes you can, you just don’t want to put in the effort. Get drawing.

So if I’m understanding correctly, the vox populi is that any AI-generated image is automatically bad/slop/misuse? Are we satanizing AI now?

When were we not?

That seems a very narrow and binary perspective. There’s no room for nuance, it’s simply “AI is bad and we won’t talk further about it”.

AI is being forced into EVERYONE’S lives, whether we want it or not, and to make that happen; land and ecosystems are being destroyed, people’s lives are being upended, resources are being made more expensive and less obtainable for everyday people, people’s creations are being stolen and morphed into this machine that erases any nuance, self-expression, or human connection, while disconnecting people that enjoy art from those that pour their heart and soul into creating it.

AI IS bad, and no that fact is not up for discussion/debate. Every use of AI is detrimental to human expression and connection, while further harming the world/environment we all exist in. We’ve done enough harm as a species.

But then we have a problem with AI’s process, not the underlying technology. What I mean to say is, if I were to train and run my own model in an isolated local computer, using ethically sourced training material*, then would it still be bad? Like, are we mad at the means needed to make the technology work or simply at the technology? Because if it’s the former, then we can do something about it. Agriculture is a hell of a technology, but there are very detrimental ways to apply it.

• Let’s gloss over what ethically sourced really means for the sake of discussion.

You can’t train your own though. You can’t make your own AI that knows what a cat or Picasso is without it using works that are not yours. You’d never be able to tell it to write you a novel because it wouldn’t have any to work with.

But if I write a novel, am I not also taking into account every novel I’ve ever read? Can you draw something without first looking at other drawings?

AI is not sentient and cannot learn or read. It regurgitates a “best guess” and knows nothing. If you use drawing tools to make shapes in Paint, congratulations! You made art, not the computer. If you write the shittiest fanfic in the world, YOU made it, YOU adapted your experiences into your own work.

AI does not and never will do it. Stop defending it.

You moved the goal post. I thought the problem was using other things as references for the creation process.

Why are you fighting so hard to defend AI slop? There was never an issue with anyone using references. The issue is stealing and regurgitating other people’s works and destroying the environment in the process. I’m sorry if that is too advanced for you, as I’m not the first to tell you this.

When the ad hominem attacks start, it’s time to drop it. Than you for the civil discussion while it lasted.

Apologies, I’m trying to do this while also feeding a very fussy newborn.

I’ll instead be an adult and say that I don’t want to continue this discussion. I have better things to do, and you’re getting pedantic about what defines “art”. It’s a lose-lose situation.