Daniel Liu
inactive ␇-707570-auroraEthernet over XLR works :3
Wolf480pl@aurora
how far can it go?
Simon MichalkeI wouldn't be surprised if this goes far beyond the typical standards because XLR is shielded Coax which, I think, is superior to S/FTP.
The problem is probably the connector, not the cable length itself.
There is a reason the top of the line USB/Thunderbolt cables use miniature coax.
Okay, now I got an even more cursed idea: Ethernet over USB-C, but as in using only passive adapters.
rojun@simon_m @wolf480pl @aurora Not just the shielding, but it's also a balanced line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_line
Yes, I meant balanced line. I couldn't remember the (English) term for this, so I just called it shielding :D
That should *significantly* reduce the noise level, the question that remains is the resistance.
The German Wikipedia goes a little bit more in-depth with the graphics:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetrische_Signal%C3%BCbertragung#Anwendung_und_Theorie
no, USB does not do symmetrical signalling.
so probably
TP < coax < symmetric signalling < the "star quad" which until today didn't know exists
Empterdose (@[email protected])
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] Good microphone cables are “star quad” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_quad_cable). I don't think I've ever seen coax XLR.
mirabilostwisted pair or "normal" coax, with one in the middle and one around. Maybe shielded, but I don't think so.
Empterdose@simon_m @wolf480pl @aurora Good microphone cables are “star quad” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_quad_cable). I don't think I've ever seen coax XLR.
cat::<kleinesFilmröllchen>@simon_m @wolf480pl @aurora also, if you use XLR cables for DMX, you’ll get even better results than with standard XLR for analog audio, since the XLR for digital purposes usually needs far better shielding and signal integrity as well.
sable / Liz🏳️⚧️@simon_m @wolf480pl @aurora Microphone cables just consist of a twisted pair of signal wires, with a concentric ground/shielding, so it's pretty much the same as a quarter CAT wire, just not optimized for the frequency range of ethernet, so I'd expect far worse performance.
@simon_m @wolf480pl @aurora Actually, using cat for audio over long distances reduces dropoff of high freqeuncies
Peter Bindels@aurora for fast ethernet use XLR8R.
Jenny (public node) 
@aurora Exceptionally cursed, I love it.
Drayventhal's Weasel Nest 🪹@aurora Finally balanced network load. 
adorfer
Aedan Cullen@aurora this means you could run Art-Net over an audio snake... >:)
Grant_H
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Eva
Henry@aurora are there preinstalled shrink tubes on the cable in case it breaks somewhere or sth?!
If yes that's sooo good, I wish more cables had that
@henry_null according to the manual those are intended for labeling
0x4d6165 (Julie or Mae)@aurora this rules
TheConstructor (he/him)@aurora this looks nicely built. The adapters I build look less shiny
@TheConstructor apparently they are around 30€ each which is honestly pretty cheap for looking that nice^^
@aurora it seems I paid around 50€ total in 2010 at Thomann for the DIY-parts, but I didn't manage to get the stuff into a nice housing, because the connector-panel of the EtherCon-ports was too big. Haven't used them much either, but back then I had a yearly event at a location with many XLR-lines and almost no ethernet-lines…
FQQD :3 
joël@aurora is that a fidget cube on the left and if yes, is it mandatory for this setup?
(in all seriousness: wow, so cool!)
@jollysea yes it is, used it to cover a piece of tape on the dongle^ its just this one: https://www.printables.com/model/928-yet-another-fidget-infinity-cube-v2
Jonas Köritz@aurora are those off the shelf adapters that are usually used to do the exact opposite? (I know, CAT and Ethernet are not the same, but for the sake of this shitpost I guess it's fine to say so).
@jonas exactly yea
Dr. Christopher Kunz
Eragon@aurora I mean... XLR is just coax cable. Ethernet is made to run on coax cables.
This is just Ethernet over four twisted pairs.
This is just Ethernet over four twisted pairs.
Svavar the NeurospicyXLR is designed to carry analog audio over long distances where electrical interface in the audible spectrum is an issue. They solve it by sending an inverted signal alongside the normal one* so in theory if you double the number of connections and use that technique you could run a cable hundreds of metres long.
* other techniques are available.
daf
Rook 🏳️⚧️@aurora I'd like to put a tester on that, and hear how much it screams in pain. xD
Karyx Dragon@aurora This has been a fairly common solution for running more modern lighting & sound protocols across legacy infrastructure cabling in entertainments venues for quite a while I think!
Anthony Thompson@karyxdragon @aurora it’s more for sending multiple signals (DMX, AES/EBU, analog audio, etc) over one cable rather than four. Since it’s just a passive adapter that takes the Cat cable’s twisted pairs and breaks it out to four 3-pin XLRs pins 1 and 2. It seems like the shield is shared across all four XLRs.
fmarl@aurora Fun fact: The other way also works. You can send analog audio via XLR -> Cat5e -> XLR without issues (and without big audio loss).
@aurora I love you’re using those adapters opposite of how they would likely be used in a broadcast or live event system.
diffie :3 (bindiff)@aurora I hope that you heard about EtherCON. =)
Cool, btw.