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I really cannot stress this enough. When I visited France, I visited a building where I read an entry in a log book where a Nazi recorded my great-grandmother's death in the camps. The name of this building was the "Musée de la Résistance et de la *Déportation*". It was not the "museum of the death camps" because they don't _call_ them death camps. While it's happening, they call it "deportations". The name "death camps" shows up once the occupying army is rolling their tanks into your capital.
Preuk@glyph this is a us-centric view. In France we DO talk about concentration camps and extermination camps. As well as transit camps and the fact that an awful lot of people didn't even arrive there, dying during transportation. This is why "deportation" is the umbrella term we use for this. So please consider people here might know a thing or two about it too. Thank you.
@Preuk also, you’ve confused the tenses and the antecedents here. in fairness “they” was somewhat ambiguous here, so let me spell it out for you: the “they” I am referring to is *the political faction doing the death camps*. the initial program referred to in germany and france was called “deportation” to manufacture consent, just as it is in the US today. and the time period during which “they” refer to the camps this way is while it’s happening. is france also building death camps *today*?
@glyph Oh, my bad. I misunderstood this part, sorry. Language manipulation to manufacture consent was and still is a terribly effective tool.
The fact remains there is a huge lexical gap between US and Europe regarding WW2 events, with usually "softer" wordings here because of the many specific forms and targets of death engineering that took place here.
I guess it's just like we Europeans might consider ICE actions as targeting Mexicans, while nationality doesn't protect anyone from them...
@Preuk ICE's ethnic targeting is incredibly bizarre and confused. Like, in that viral video where an ICE agent is threatening "you raise your voice, I erase your voice", the agent has a relatively thick latin accent of some kind, clearly articulating a "j" sound in "you". This is like an SS agent with a thick yiddish accent, and yet, it seeems to be very common. Utterly ideologically incoherent, and even for someone (like me) completely steeped in this, *deeply* difficult to understand.
@Preuk Like it's beyond even "that's weird aren't you a member of the targeted group", it's that the whole legal framework of Kavanaugh stops is that *this specific accent* is probable cause to detain, abuse, disappear and potentially murder a person. I *think* I understand what's going on here but the degree of cognitive dissonance required to hold it in my brain is almost physically painful
@glyph Unfortunately, that doesn't even surprise me. Going back once again to WW2 there were such persons inside the camps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo
And we can see in Europe that a lot of 2nd/3rd generation from immigrant ancestry try to "shut the door" behind themselves. I don't know about US, but I guess there are similar patterns there too.
@Preuk The expression we use here is 'pull up the ladder behind them' but yes that's what's happpening. There's an additional thing where the asylum / immigration procedures in the US from 30 years ago were much easier, which means that there is a surprisingly large of elderly naturalized citizen refugees who believe that "coming here the right way" means filling out a few forms and waiting a year or two before taking your citizenship oath, not the kafkaesque nightmare it is today