Alan Elrod (@aselrod.bsky.social)

I’m sorry but this is a damning indictment of the American people https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deportation-immigration-opinion-poll/

Bluesky Social
I really cannot stress this enough. When I visited France, I visited a building where I read an entry in a log book where a Nazi recorded my great-grandmother's death in the camps. The name of this building was the "Musée de la Résistance et de la *Déportation*". It was not the "museum of the death camps" because they don't _call_ them death camps. While it's happening, they call it "deportations". The name "death camps" shows up once the occupying army is rolling their tanks into your capital.
When I say that "abolishing ICE is the centrist position" I mean that as someone who, perhaps as a squishy centrist lib dummy, does not want violence. This is the position that ICE agents should favor. They should favor it because the other thing, the "left-wing" position, the thing that any student of history can tell you *is what happens* to the "deportation police" once such a thing exists, is *much, much worse for them*. And the LA protests are approaching that outcome *fast*.
Like, speaking of France, can anybody else think of a time that a popular uprising targeted a prison in an urban center where political prisoners were being taken? Anyone pass world history in high school and remember anything interesting that happened to the people *running* that prison? Did it work out really well for them?
I'm just… I'm so fucking tired.

@glyph

Impossible to persuade American people that racist attitudes and the unbridled use of violence are endemic in the US. From old Confederate states where they dominate and are talked about openly, through the majority of the #MAGA states where they enjoy majority support. Even in Blue states like MN there’s a sizeable minority still positive towards ICE. They should have listened to what black people were telling them.

@DziadekMick on the one hand, in the large, you are correct. however this is fatalistic and inaccurate in the impression that it gives. there were a lot of white abolitionists in the antebellum north. there are a lot of white people fighting for their neighbors in minnesota right now, literally putting their bodies on the line and getting killed. a lot of people *are* convinceable; a lot are already convinced. as for that irredeemable minority, well, they will hopefully get theirs one day

@glyph

I remain to be convinced there are sufficient numbers to rule out the US being a racist country. I can see that there is a lot of push-back to what ICE is doing. What isn’t evident was as much push-back when ICE was hitting on non-white people. I note that the ICE “mission” still has majority support (below).

And away from the current “Aktion,” how can Alabama (and other Red states) run prisons as slave camps that are so blatantly racist in a non-racist country?

@DziadekMick If I had to choose "is America a racist country", yeah, of course. But miring any discussion in "is it racist or non-racist" is a debate about transcendental essential characteristics and not material reality. America does a lot of racist shit. A lot of Americans think that's bad. A majority? Depends how you count. But the racist/not-racist axis is a waste of time, as Jay Smooth explained … yeesh … 17 years ago now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ti-gkJiXc
How To Tell Someone They Sound Racist

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@glyph

Saying you're a white man without saying you're white.

@DziadekMick I'm sorry I don't understand the point that you're making here