Danielle ForéJan 30

I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

Show threadOpticaciaJan 30

@danirabbit
I don't actually hate this but it's just reinventing the idea of vegetarianism.

& maybe that does need some rejuvinating & maybe that'll do some good in the world, still it's really not veganism.

I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work (being an animal use abolitionist).

I guess vegetarianism is kinda lame nowadays (now we say plant-based or plant forward or 'vegan'), & part of that is because veganism makes it look obsolete, but you can't just take the name without doing the work.

Show threadLexi& / Zoe

@Opticacia @danirabbit > I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work

You know, for some people the reason for being vegan (or trying to be more vegan with some exceptions) is because they want to reduce harm, not to get bragging rights for being morally superior. 🙄

And this binary thinking of "it's only hard work if you go 100% vegan" is exactly the problem. It's hard work to change your diet and habits, even if you make some exceptions.

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Show threadOpticaciaFeb 2

@danirabbit @binaryDiv
I didn't say it's only hard work to go vegan, but I get how you could've misintpreted it that way.

Yes it is also hard work to change your diets and habits in any substantial way. In fact, I'd encourage people to transition carefully if they want to go vegan, better chance of success.

But let's just be clear that veganism isn't a diet, it's a set of practices which specifically flow from the principle that animal exploitation is wrong. A flexitarian diet which includes animal products according to your owm taste preferences is simply not veganism. The "hard work" I was referring to is just choosing to uphold the principles of veganism, rather than any specific changes you make or the difficulty therein.

No one would be 100% vegan in the way that you're currently conceptualising it, that would mean no medicine, no transportation... you'd barely be able to take a step. In reality being 100% vegan is holding animal liberationist principles then living your life in accordance, in ways that are possible and accessible to you (and yeah that can even mean eating meat, since I'm dropping all the wild takes here).