Do you have a plan for your self-hosted data if you die?

https://lemmy.world/post/42294189

Do you have a plan for your self-hosted data if you die? - Lemmy.World

This question is mainly for those that have family/friends depending on their self-hosted services/data. Does anyone have a plan for the worst case scenario in terms of data access/passwords/making sure your services are kept running if people depend on them? I know I sure don’t, it’s just a strange curiosity my brain thought up and I wondered if anyone else had considered this?

No, but this does interest me a lot, so… Will be keep a tab on this.
My will contains the master password for my keepass file, from there someone could theoretically handle everything.
that’s very smart
It’s the theoretically part that i haven’t figured out. I know none of my family members would have any idea what to do with anything. I feel like All the Data will just be lost when i go… which is a huge issue as everything moves to digital.

Your family members are unable to ask someone else who knows someone about it to help with it? X to doubt.

But… Why do you care? What kind of information is on there? Something like the Epstein files?

At least for me, the only stuff that’s really on there is some music, photos, backups. If it gets lost, nothing really is lost.

the only stuff that’s really on there is some music, photos, backups. If it gets lost, nothing important really is lost.

Photos are pretty important to a lot of people, I know that’s the most obvious thing on my server that people would miss and not be able to get anywhere else

You vastly overestimate boomers-era individuals (and really the entire general population). Beyond turning things on and ‘everything magically works’, most know fuck all about tech.

I know that if I croak tomorrow, while my ex partners and a couple friends would be able to piece together things, 1) they’d have to be informed that I’m dead, 2) they’d have to be asked to help with my different hosts, and 3) they’d need to remember where I physically put the password in case of emergency to access the main host (with all of the family’s important shit, like all of it). Assuming they got those three things done, they would have to convey to the ex/friend how to access the main node, and then figure out my password manager master password, and the mfa (multiple options), or assume it’s inaccessible and use the physical password to retrieve the data and restore… on an OS none of them has ever used before.

Assuming all that is doable, after the restore is to maintain the system and the containers, perpetually, as well as continue paying for the domains so they can access the services hosted on the nodes, and continue paying for my vps and the backup storage strategy (two different companies on two different continents alongside the local copy).

As I have literally almost died before (I was supposed to have died, according to doctors who saved me), I have tried to make this hypothetical situation easy, and still it would astonish me if they get past like step #2.

Yeah if your family is too prideful or stupid or whatever to ask your exes/friends about the “magic technology” (which like I said, asking someone who does know is super easy and sou don’t have to know anything), then I think they deserve to not get whatever is on your server, lol
You could make a document describing what each set of data is, if its useful to anyone but yourself, or if its safe to delete. You could offer suggestions of what to do with each set. I think of it as a treasure map that you leave behind. Maybe they will be interested in it, maybe they will pass it on to someone else.
I actually started doing that. It’s a living document, shared with others. It’s the best solution I’ve come up with. Knowing whether or not I can convey enough info to make it usable and able to be followed for a less technical person like other family members drives my adoption of software/hardware solutions.

Test it. Seriously.

There are likely roadblocks you haven’t seen. For example, it is increasingly true that login & password aren’t good enough to access most commercial systems. So many businesses rely on active session cookies to determine identity, and if that’s missing, they’ll fallback to email or SMS based one-time passwords. And if they don’t have access to your laptop or phone, it might be impossible for them to gain access.

This is the origin of the phrase “where there’s a will, there’s a way”.
I uhh… I don’t think that’s right… But I also dont know enough about the idiom to prove you wrong…
It’s will, as in “strength of will.” Basically meaning “Where there’s someone willing to do something, there will be a way to do it”

There’s a project on github just for this, I forget what it’s called.

Basically they’ve developed a mechanism for providing instructions and access to security (usernames, passwords, etc).

Replying to get notified!

So you get a notification, spacelord suggested Hereditas: github.com/ItalyPaleAle/hereditas

Not sure if it’s the same one OP is thinking of, though.

GitHub - ItalyPaleAle/hereditas: A static site generator for a fully trustless digital legacy box

A static site generator for a fully trustless digital legacy box - ItalyPaleAle/hereditas

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GitHub - ItalyPaleAle/hereditas: A static site generator for a fully trustless digital legacy box

A static site generator for a fully trustless digital legacy box - ItalyPaleAle/hereditas

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Looks interesting but explicitly says it’s “alpha software “ and hasn’t been updated in five years. I’d be weary of using something like this in such a critical situation.
Agreed. I wasn’t suggesting to use it, but was just asking if OP was referring to that project.
Not sure if gonemanswitch is the one you’re referring to, but it’s the one I use.
GitHub - jhonderson/gone-man-switch: Gone Man’s Switch

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My plan is to give my brother the password to my password manger and my best friend will get my authy backup key. With that they will be able to log in an have full access to everything.
I should set up that bitwarden feature that lets people ask for access and they get it if you don’t respond in a set amount of time.
Passwords, usernames and access keys are all important, but what about technical knowledge? If you’re the one hosting all of that, it’s presumably because you’re the most knowledgeable about that in your group. Without you, even if they have access, will they know how to keep things running, especially when things go wrong?
No :/ my server will probably die with me. My people are going to complain why homeassistant isn’t working, why automated lights don’t turn on and why nothing has been added to the plex library in forever. Just not sure who they’ll complain to lol.
At the end of the day, its my hobby and they’ll just have to live with how it was before. The hardware will be there if anyone wants to start up their own thing, but I don’t see it happening.

And this is why I try to recommend to every single person starting their smart home to plan it so that if everything dies, their internet, their router, power gets restarted, and their HomeAssistant gets corrupted, and you die, at the same time, that everything will work exactly as expected, because with MANY smart home systems they will just stop functioning or be stuck in a bad mode until your family hires someone to fix it.

That’s why I lean hard towards KNX

I thought about that, I should write a manual so any friend who is in IT could take over one way or another; passwords are already ok with the takeover mechanism provided by Bitwarden
I’ve made a note in a paper notebook with my master password for the password manager for my wife, but she’s totally uninterested in anything I do with my server - she tried to understand, but it didn’t work. At least she’ll have access to my emails and other stuff in case I die before her.
Same here. I don’t see how she would manage, she’s not THAT technical. I told her she’d probably be good for another few years barring breaking updates. Beyond that, she’ll need to find someone to retrieve any content she wants to keep. For this reason, I keep all photos with a paid service (ente) as I don’t want to risk her losing those.
Haha! For sure not mine!

The part how they cloud technically access all relevant files, seems easy to me. As mentioned in other comments, just give someone or somewhere you trust your master password.

Virtually impossible, that my dear ones actually can make any use of this. They don’t even know how to use a command line, not to mention how to decrypt a luks partition. In the end, they will get some linux friend to do this, copy all files on a nfts external drive and hook this up to a Windows machine. So glad, I don’t have to experience this monstrosity anymore.

I created a text file with all the IPs, server name, and function and some general notes. I don’t use good passwords in my home network, sue me. But my master password should go into the will stored with lawyer.

It’s enough to get started but my family will have to find someone to help them at some point as they don’t have the technical skills I do.

…ccc.de/…/2025-513-digitaler-nachlass-was-passier…

Its a talk by the CCC about this subject. I think there nicht be a translated Version somewhere…

Digitaler Nachlass - was passiert, wenn Nerds versterben?

media.ccc.de
I know of this project: Dead Man Hand
GitHub - bkupidura/dead-man-hand: DMH will execute action when you will not be able to. Dead-man-switch software with privacy in mind.

DMH will execute action when you will not be able to. Dead-man-switch software with privacy in mind. - bkupidura/dead-man-hand

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It’ll die with me. Albeit probably a slow death over a couple months, I have to be realistic here - none of my family members will care enough to keep anything running in the long run.

It’s the same fate your grandma’s unfinished knitted scarves and socks had a couple years ago.

I had a few cousins who took and finished all my grandma's unfinished quilts. They were already into quilting though. YMMV, but it is a good example - if there is someone who can understand/take this over give it to them.

This is why my lab is well documented and managed by runner.ci workflows and the vault password and keys are in an encrypted file in my will. Explicit instructuons for decryption are in same will and handled via one time pad.

Also all of my loved ones know that I am not suicidal and will not under any circumstances take my own life…because reasons.

My plan is using Shamir’s Secret Sharing (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamir's_secret_sharing) to split my encrypted master password in 3: one for my wife, one for my mother and one for my best friend. In case I die, only 2 of those parts are needed to recover the password.
Shamir's secret sharing - Wikipedia

When my brother’s brother-in-law passed, he gave all that to my brother. Both on the high end of tech/self-hosting capabilities. I’ve come to the conclusion much of it wasn’t worth it.

I’ll be focusing on ensuring access to financial accounts is passed on cleanly. And I’m working on digitizing all remaining physical photo negatives, then planning how to share all digitally with family while still alive. Since I don’t expect any to be interested in maintaining a server after I’m gone, I’m thinking I’ll keep it simple and just give everyone an external hard drive with all the photos. It’s up to them to do what they want with the drive. A copy to each sibling is increases odds it’s survives for a generation.

I’ll make project notes and plans available to anyone interested, but no hard feelings if no one is interested. And my music and movies can disappear for all I care.

It’s in my will, but most of my days isn’t useful without need to use it or me. 

My will has a page of important passwords, accounts, where important documents are kept. 

I set a friend as an emergency contact for my Bitwarden vault, so he can request access, and if I don’t deny it within 2 weeks he’s granted access.

I’m also working on a kind of digital dead man switch. Basically, I’ll make it so that you give it some last messages, which are assigned to groups of recipients. The service will send you an email at a specified interval (for example, every month) with a link in it. If you don’t click on the email a few times, you’re marked as dead and the last messages get sent out to their corresponding recipients.

github.com/potatoqualitee/eol-dr

Seems pretty thorough.

GitHub - potatoqualitee/eol-dr: 🕊️ A crowd-sourced guide to help techs help their non-tech spouses / partners / parents / kids when we are at the end-of-life

🕊️ A crowd-sourced guide to help techs help their non-tech spouses / partners / parents / kids when we are at the end-of-life - potatoqualitee/eol-dr

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This is what I was trying to find for op. Well done!

👆🏻 This is the link everyone needs to look at.

It covers things like keeping your phone active for 2FA, subscriptions that need to be paid until data is saved, etc.

It’s what my SO & I use.

Very thorough

All my personal data is on encrypted partitions and drives. The only data that would be left behind is whatever I was hosting on my Raspberry Pi’s. Anyone can do what they please with that data, it doesn’t matter to me. The encrypted stuff can be easily wiped and the hardware can be reused by whoever comes after me.
Nearly everything you possess will end up in a landfill or the ocean within 10 years of your death, this is no exception.
Why’s that? So much of my treasure comes from estate sales etc, they don’t make stuff like they used to. I would say 90% of what I own has passed through someone else’s hands, and a pretty good chunk of em have themselves passed
It’s more common to be wasteful and irresponsible. Literally tons of high quality stuff is thrown in the garbage because people want a shitty plastic one that’s more up-to-date and stylish, and more to the point, not used.
The garage is another great source for treasure :)
Realistically no. My wife primarily uses the ad blocking dns and smb file storage. I’ve built the server on FreeBSD so those should run near forever if I passed, and she knows she has until the server dies to find somewhere else to put her photos. Past that there’s a maintenance document next to the will, which includes everything up to how to replace drives on zfs, but I doubt she’d use it if I’m being honest.
I figure by then, it will all be part of some AI training set one day. Hopefully my shitty writing and bad opinions poison the shit out of it.

Bitwarden has a account custodian feature that will give my wife all the info she needs to access essential accounts and hardware, however, realistically the homelab will only continue to work until things start dropping - there is likely no easy recovery of crashes.

I haven’t talked to my wife about it directly, you’ve reminded me this would be a good conversation to have, but the first thing she should do when the insurance money comes in is (after paying off the assassin) buy a bunch of dumb light bulbs and pay to print any photos she cares about in case our digital backups die.

hardware I’m giving to my sister most likely. Software? well that’s definitly dying with me. I’m the only one in my family that has any form of technical skill required to keep services going. They won’t know what to do with it.

The most I’m able to share is pictures and files.

I decided very long ago not to pollute the gene poo, so everything dies with me.

gene poo

Indeed, sounds polluted enough 💩

Ha! Spell check fail
I’ve learned to wear brown pants so it’s not as bad.
Since others were posting end of life style docs, here is another: www.erikdewey.com/bigbook.htm
Erik A Dewey, PhD - The Big Book of Everything

That’s actually some good info there.