Fell for it again award

I don’t imagine the system following this would be worse ideologically to a socialist than a theocracy. Surprised more aren’t happy about the unrest as an opportunity for socialists. Not sure why the hesitancy. Can’t be any love for their current theocratic system.

Iran has been a target of US imperialism for decades, and the US has overthrown their government before and installed a US puppet, just like they’d like to do now. It was even one of the 7 wars in 5 years countried outlined by the Bush administration.

Its not your or my place to choose what form of government they have, that’s for the Iranian people to decide. Your place is to oppose the US bombing civilians and sanctioning the country.

I’m all for Iranian people plotting their own course. I think if they throw out the current system then that’s great. I’m just surprised by the hesitancy over that from ml spaces.

I’m all for Iranian people plotting their own course

The problem is that the US/Israel isn’t and will do everything they can to plot their own course instead

I’m sure USA and Israel will be happy to see the current system fall but it’s not like that’s going to make me hesitant to cheer if the Iranian people decide to overthrow it

They aren’t simply ‘happy to see’ like some kind of observer, they are actively co-opting genuine protests for their own ends, at the expense of the Iranian people.

Imperial Germany sent Lenin back to Russia to destabilize it. Of course enemies of the current leadership/system are going to try and take advantage of the situation, happens probably every time there’s protests or revolution or whatever. If the people want to take down the current leadership or system then isn’t that still something to be cheered for?

This is so laughably bad. Whos the next lenin? Is he currently working for cia or mossad? Which prominent socialist circles does he come from?

I wasn’t saying there was a Lenin here, just that outsiders always try to influence these things. Doesn’t mean you should support the current regime imo, it being a theocracy and all.

Sure, we can expect socialism like they have in syria now.

It just feels very defeatist and non-committal, aking to supporting the status quo since the protests can’t promise socialism. I just find the mindset odd.

I’ve probbaly misunderstood the reasoning but nobody has really explained it either, just made quips about how these protests are run by USA or something.

Hey whats wrong with syrian socialism? And so what if mossad is involved as has been extensively reported and they even said it on their x account, that doesnt mean that they dont want the best socialism for iran.

I think you totally misunderstood. I’m saying of course Israel and USA, enemies of Iran’s current leadership are going to help the protests and that in itself imo shouldn’t be a reason to dismiss those protesting and defend the status quo.

Indeed, and thats a big if, given that the progovernment protests also against foreign interference were much larger. Look its impossible to pretend to care for iranians, if you trust us and israel in their intentions. Thats simmilar to say if nazis helped russians overthrow their soviet gvmt. Now i wonder did some russian disident make such a claim?

Who out there is trusting the US and Israel? I’m just saying them being on one side doesn’t mean the other side is the right one. If Iranians want to take down their theocratic conservative government I’m all for it, no matter who decided to support it.

I agree if we ignore context then no issue.

Foreign engineered

That sounds very much like the line the government is using to dismiss the protests. I’m not sure it is true, consider how real the grievances the people have are.

which of my points did you react to? I cant see single one, are you unable or unwilling? Whats wrong with syrian socialism?

I quoted the part

Ok this isnt a serious debate

I had no idea you were trying to do a serious debate. You wrote so much weird irrelevant stuff that had nothing to do with what I had said that I just thought you wanted to just argue 

i matched what i responded to

No I didn’t. You could quote the part here where you think I sair that and you’d notice for yourself. This is exactly why I didn’t think you were trying to be serious.

Yes you said that foreign infiltration brought people like lenin. Thats how this began, when you tried to use this to not see an issue with us and mossad infiltration.

You’re already changing what you claimed I said. Like you seem to have realized, I said that all revolutions have foreign influence and as example imperial Germany sent Lenin home to destabilize Russia. The point being that do you really condemn the possible toppling of their regime because foreign countries are involved, since even Russian revolution had some very direct foreign involvement.

It would be so much easier if you’d just told me you didn’t understand what I was saying and asked me to explained it…

Tell me when you address one of my points.

Now you just silently dropped your claim about what I said. And you were trying to have a serious debate in your mind. See why I didn’t take you seriously?

If you genuinely want a second attempt at a serious debate, you might want to restate some of your more relevant points with actual quotes from me in parts where you are claiming I was arguing for a thing. Otherwise there’s no much point since your prior stuff has been just one big misunderstanding of what I’ve actually said.

So not yet?

If you just want the last word without actually trying to actually debate anything, I can give you that. I don’t mind. But like said, you might want to restate some of your more relevant points with actual quotes from me in parts where you are claiming I was arguing for a thing. Otherwise there’s no much point.

I just genuinely didn’t see any points that actually addressed what I said or were relevant. But if you rephrased or just repeated them in proper context we could get into it.

Ah sorry, i was asking whats wrong with syrian socialism.