Doorbell anxiety - Lemmy.World

Looking for some perspective on this, interested how y’all think about it and if I’m isolated in my concerns. I’ve grown to be a bit anxious when I’m out and about in any neighborhood. The wide use of doorbell cameras that connect to the internet and save data on company servers, listen in to your conversations [https://www.consumerreports.org/video-doorbells/video-doorbell-cameras-record-audio-too-a4636115889/], and could be used for spying on you as an individual [https://san.com/cc/privacy-experts-see-dangers-in-ring-flock-partnership/] gives me a sinking feeling. I like walking around, I walk my dogs around the neighborhood and I know my neighbors. I’ve started being so aware that it’s changing my habits. I don’t turn my face towards houses while I’m walking if I notice a doorbell camera, and I’ve put my shirt over my face when dropping off something to a neighbor who has one. I probably gave them a fright but I don’t feel like I should’ve expected to be OK with you surviving me in a way that compromises my privacy that expansively. I’m considering keeping a bandana with me to cover my face if I need to go up to a door, but of course that would make people think I’m a bad actor and just a paranoid privacy nut. I feel a bit like Winston in the 1984 novel, always feeling watched and trying to find an isolated corner where I can’t be seen. How have y’all been feeling on this? Would love to get perspective, thanks

When you walk and attempt to protect your privacy, are you wearing or carrying any WiFi and/or Bluetooth devices? Ring devices are Amazon Sidewalk devices. They’ll record nearby devices like your phone, whether you want it to or not.
So Ring can see all the WiFi networks my neighbors and I have?
all IoT devices can if they have any wifi functionality. they can even see the MAC addresses of the devices connecting to these wifi networks. if some of these devices are set to use their original MAC address instead of the randomized address on a network, IoT devices in signal range can see that too.

Any advice to prevent that? Is it easy to randomize a Mac address through shell command? No need for details, just wondering.

I swear to fuck, I can’t address security issues faster than they can enshittify the whole world.

recent android devices randomize it by default, per network, reusing them later when connected again to the same network.

on linux it’s pretty easy to change the wifi MAC address, because it does not try to prevent you if you have admin rights.
most commonly ip link set dev wlan1 address macaddresshere, details here: baeldung.com/…/change-media-access-control-addres…

but if your system uses NetworkManager or another comprehensive network management program, it might change your settings. so in that case you should set this through NetworkManager or what have you. It could sound bad but actually often it’s better this way, because NM has clickable GUI integrations for the popular desktops, like KDE, Gnome, and it will also remember your wishes across reconnects and reboots. if you use the kde plasma desktop, it’s straightforward: on the taskbar’s right end open the network icon, expand your network adapter, click configure, and in the window that appears use the wired or wifi tab to change the mac address for that single interface. I think NM does not do mac randomization, but maybe I’m outdated on that, or perhaps there’s already a setting that’s off by default

edit: NM does support it, but you should check what is the current config for you: fedoramagazine.org/randomize-mac-address-nm/

How to Change MAC Address in Linux | Baeldung on Linux

Learn how to change the MAC address for a network interface on Linux.

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Wow. Thanks for the details. I think I’ll check with NM to see what is going on. I use Hyprland so I’ve never used a GUI for it, and didn’t even know there was one. I’ll see if they have one for Arch.

I’m not sure what you think your threat model is here. I’m not happy about it either, but my place of residence isn’t entirely private information already. I’m pretty certain it’s available through multiple public information sources. Cameras being able to see me in that vicinity might help someone determine my daily habits and schedule, but there are many other ways of that as well.

Again, I’m not happy about it, but I feel like you need to ask yourself what risk you’re trying to protect yourself against here.

As another commenter pointed out, any of the amazon based ones are part of amazon sidewalk and record nearby bluetooth and wifi devices. Sidewalk is also partnering with flock, so that data is available to law enforcement and possibly corporations that use flock for security to be able to use for advertisement.

But so is your phone’s location data.

So if you’re trying to protect against this sort of thing, you’d need to be taking much more extreme steps. Different dogs at different times with entirely different outfits and rocks in shoes to make different gaits. Face coverings. Multiple burner phones not tied to your identity, and only taken out of farady bags to use in association with different identities.

And then it still would all tie back to the same house/general vicinity.

There’s no perfect privacy options, so you need to identify your threat model. What are you trying to protect against, how important is it, what are the quantifiable risks of failure, and how inconvenienced are you willing to be to achieve this.

It sucks. I’m not happy about it. But you can’t stop your neighbors from using them. So you’ll need to accept it, or come up with alternatives. Feel like moving to someplace more rural?

It’s always going to be a balance.

Instead of multiple burner phones, carry multiple phones all tied directly to you. Use software to simulate activity on each phone constantly.

Occasionaly leave 1-2 phones on public transit, or in friends’ vehicles, or attach a few to local wildlife like cats or birds.

Tape dog microchips to the phones and do not use a Faraday cage.

Put a few of those microchips on each phone, wear a pair like earrings and attach some to the charging cords.

Make a t-shirt that has the top 500 most used SEO keywords and/or Fortune 500 corporation names printed on it. Make 7 of these shirts total, one for each day.

Also make a few shirts with the same list as above but with vowels shifted two letter places to the left or right and wear that shirt underneath, switching it at random to be external or internal. Alternately, use another language for each shirt.

Humans might not be able to hide anymore, so I say give that data to them hard. Harder than they ever expected. Flood them with data that is nearly exact, but not quite, so they have copies of yourself that all contain minor differences existing simultaneously.

The data is rarely scrutinized by humans. The metrics will soon become poisoned. Tilted towards your activities and demographic. Your numbers grow exponentially. Soon, the algorithm will only know you.

Don’t actually do any of these things. This was meant to be funny. I give it a 2/10.

That gives me vague ideas for a fun short story: The AI “revolution” has occurred, but due to training data issues it’s all optimizing for some random specific boring schlub. Harold from Oklahoma or something.

Had to argue my case to the transit overseer AI about how me getting to work is vital for Harold’s quality of life again. So fucking demeaning.

Harold posted something to social media 15 years ago about having a bad experience at the restaurant chain I worked at. Overseer shut the while chain down and now we’re all on the run from enforcers that want to kidnap and make us personally apologize to him. I worked on the other side of the country.

Trying to get a new car but all that’s on the market are ridiculous scaled up hotwheels the guy liked as a kid, a shitbox he made teenage memories in, or some generic suburbanite thing that lasted him the longest.

New fashion trend: White t-shirt and green plaid boxers are out, jeans and a grey t-shirt are in!

You are right to be wary of that behavior as it is spreading.

That being said I believe it’s good to be mindful of the “paranoid privacy nut” in the sense that… WHO are you concerned might have WHICH information about you?

I don’t know you but… if I were to find your name I could find your address or at least roughly where you live. In fact depending on what you post one could potentially know your neighborhood without even knowing your name. Now I didn’t know you had a pet, now I do. That being said even without a pet… if you live somewhere you are expected to walk around your neighborhood. It might be to go buy milk, help neighbors, drop mail, etc. There is relatively no new information there. Your neighbors might know you are around, their doorbell cameras might have footage of you doing so… and what? How is the confirmation that a perfectly average behavior is indeed coherent? What also NOT having that footage bring? Maybe you are traveling and thus not with your pet but maybe you also are sick.

So… I agree with you that all those cameras with footage are not healthy but also what do they genuinely add or remove? I would argue in principle a lot but in practice not so much. I would even argue to biggest impact is unwarranted stress and concerns, the chilling effect.

Walk freely however you want, it’s your neighborhood, ignore the cameras.

PS: as someone already pointed out, one does not need video cameras to track your movement and patterns, using wireless signal (5G/4G, WiFi, BT) on your phone is enough.

“I have nothing to hide.”

But yeah, you’re correct in finding comfort that it is not adding or removing much to the data pool for this one guy. I think minorities like myself should be more worried but it just depends on the threat model.

In fine it is about the threat model, always.

That being said I never said “I have nothing to hide” nor do I believe we as a society should accept the permanent surveillance of civilians. In fact I do believe the opposite and that the chilling effect, as highlighted here by OP, does have a toll on everyone.

Use a surgical mask instead of a banana. It feels less aggressive.
Using a banana as a mask is just plain weird. You’d need to use two or three imo.
Oops. 🍌 Gonna hide my type behind this.
Is that a banana on your face or are you just excited to see me?
Zinni also has some anti surveillance glasses. They probably do not work on all cameras. I might get some though.

Find an IR LEd pin broach or sunglasses or this:

www.popsci.com/…/camera-shy-hoodie-privacy/

A simple DIY hoodie can fool security cameras

A DIY hack for hoodies emits infrared LEDs to obscure wearers' faces from invasive surveillance camera tracking.

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With how unique it would be owning one, if the police find this on you, you’re getting arrested if you actually do anything
That’s why you don’t keep clothes if you wore them while committing a crime. Burn them.