fort_burpBanning Americans seems like a good idea at this point!
Good. Fuck America. No one should trust us.
We suck đ
Do something
I love this comment. Itâs like asking an ant to hold back the tide. The fact itâs said so unironically makes it better.
The fact that that user recognises themselves as part of the country that has been nothing but a cancer in the world, and dislikes it, is already a lot and should be praised. They overcame the propaganda and used their minds and hearts to examine the world. đ
We appreciate it, but it materially doesnât help us outside of the US and it also doesnât help yâall inside either
Better than nothing and much better than the opposite, but thatâs fair.
Itâs literally nothing.
Youâre too negative. You have a country full of people who think itâs okay to carpet bomb and pillage foreign nations because MURRICAFUCKYEAH, anyone who has fought against the indoctrination and thought just enough not to go straight to Hell has certainly done⌠something.
Youâre right. My congratulations to the few Americans that somehow manage to figure out that youâre not the inherent heroes youâve been raised to believe you are. I guess that is something, sad as it may be.
Yeah but donât let them weasel out of this shit again. Americans breaking their conditioning is good, but the vast VAST majority of american leftists will think thats good enough and stop. They love to operate on their little feelys and feel goods as if akin to action.
This shows they havenât really broken the conditioning that much.
Good job recognizing you are fucking evil, now what actions will you take besides voting for a fucking democrat?
Hey brother, this is a fucking ML website correct? So imagine this shitâŚ
MANY ANTS COOPERATE, to take on some grasshoppers.
Jesus fucking christ, american âleftistsâ are so pathetic.
CountryBreakfastIf you are so baffled as to why your big brain advice isnât helping then why donât you have the sense to meaningfully adjust your expectations?
I donât get what you mean? Do you mean I should adjust to celebrate when american âleftistsâ justify slaughter?
Is expecting âleftistsâ in america to organize is too much now?
Is my bar of expecting basic fucking human decency from americans too high?
Do you fucking hear yourself? Pathetic doesnât begin encapsulate it. The justifications you tell yourself and lie you are living sickens me.
Yeah, the self-flagellation, defeatism, and guilt are just the ego flaring up in response to reality contradicting the propagandized view of burgerland which we each must destroy in our own minds. None of the three are helpful, yet it seems to be all we have at the moment.
Iâm intrigued by your comment, not sure if I totally grasp it.
But I want to add, we need to find a method to convert those things into action and organization.
I can realize within myself that Iâm overly angry, but I do attribute that to constantly fighting american leftists over if the usa is bad or not. They fucking deprogram a bit to see âyeah maybe we should have healthcareâ, then parrot imperialist talking points or say heinous things.
Itâs like they freeze and react negatively when someone points our âactually america IS bad and worse than you are realizingâ, then its back to burgerland defense force somehow.
Maddening shit.
But the point is to realize the gravity and reality of the situation. Not to shit on any individual, but to understand the problems we must resolve. So conversion of the guilt, defeatism, and circlejerk MUST be converted into action.
Thats what I really want to get to but americans refuse to budge on the stupidest shit. I try not to give up but GOD FUCKING DAMMIT.
Itâs like they freeze and react negatively
Yeah, I think I was just describing the negative reactions I see most often. I kinda tried to armchair psychoanalyze also.
Just revisiting the comment. Unnecessary defensiveness drives me crazy in all relationships, not just political discussions, so I totally understand your frustration
Americans wonât save you. Get over it.
If you want to stay in the nursery and cry that no one will play pretend with you, then go ahead. I donât care.
I donât need americans to save me, and really dont know what the fuck you are talking about.
The problem is americans wonât save themselves, or even help themselves. They just removed and moan and do nothing, Then they suffer while their government rapes the global south.
Great attitude you have to brother, glad to see it on display.
Hey brother
Iâm not sure who you are responding to.
Me or @corsicanguppy.
Corsicanguppy was asked to something.
Corsicanguppy was being defeatist.
I told him to be like the ant against the grassphopper.
Youâre saying that like ants, they should cooperate.
To that I say, right on! Thatâs the spirit!
communismI always laugh at this line. What does that make Maduro? What does it make the USSR? What of the hundreds of colonized nations?
Victims of a mere paper tiger, I suppose.
Do you really know what we need a spine for? All we do is waste away âorganizingâ over bullshit. Uninspired, insipid fucking protests, milquetoast bargaining meetings, blah blah blah mutual aid drama drama tenderqueer drama. We arenât going to save anyone from anything. Not ourselves and not anyone abroad. We will exploit and betray our own sympathies, nothing more. Do not make the error of blaming imperial citizens for not defeating their own champions. We arenât going to be guilted into dismantling our empire. Do you not know the mountain of skulls we had to pile just to lay itâs foundation? We have only begun to destroy the world as nothing but a paper tiger.
Cowbee [he/they]Taking a doomerist stance just forces the responsibility for organizing onto the global south, and is deeply chauvanist.
Still hoping votes can make a difference this year. Not ready to Luigi anybody.
Votes arenât going to do shit for imperialism, thatâs bipartisan. You also donât need to Luigi people. Instead, you can organize in real life with a socialist party, and if the conditions for revolution arise, take part in that.
Luigi is easy to understand. Voting is easy to understand. When people say âorganize in real lifeâ what exactly do you mean? Picnics?
I mean joining an org like PSL, training and studying as an activist and directly participate in organizing outreach, educating others, forming protests, and more.
Program of the Party for Socialism and Liberation â Liberation School
There are only two choices for humanity today: an increasingly destructive capitalism, or socialism. The only solution to the evils of capitalism is the socialist transformation of society.
Voting doesnât work when the candidate needs campaign money to get voted for.
If the candidate needs campaign money to get voted in, then the candidate will automatically be corrupt,
as no one is going to freely give someone lots of money unless they expect something back from it,
and if candidates need to be on tv and pay good money for being on tv,
then the candidates choices are to be corrupt or to be unknown
and you will need to organize a different system of electing leaders.
If the candidate needs campaign money to get voted in, then the candidate will automatically be corrupt,
as no one is going to freely give someone lots of money unless they expect something back from it,
and if candidates need to be on tv and pay good money for being on tv,
then the candidates choices are to be corrupt or to be unknown
and you will need to organize a different system of electing leaders.
đ°Hurlingâď¸DurlingđąNo because that is what the orange turd wants in order to achieve complete control of everything
He already has it
No he doesnât. You still protests, and people having their rights. He wants to declare martial law and with it, congress looses all power, the courts loose all power and he becomes a literal king. Once this happens, all hope will forever be lost
No? There has never been a legal path to fixing the US Empire, it has always required revolution.
Congress has already lost all power, and the courts are all complicit. Trump is already king. Wake up