An issue we face is that our opponents are better propagandists than we are, probably in large part because so many of us have studied science so it's repulsive to consider doing it I suppose.

Have done some studying recently on how a few educated Americans were able to break free from the world's superpower 250 years ago. Propaganda was pretty much major tool that helped the most.

@GreenFire someone should post the millions of birds that died from oil disasters.
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Attached: 1 image @martinvermeer@fediscience.org @CelloMomOnCars@mastodon.social @earthworm@kolektiva.social Ah yes, here it is. https://www.businessinsider.com/cats-kill-more-birds-than-wind-turbines-despite-trumps-claims-2020-10

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However, this must also be viewed in a differentiated manner. Wind turbines rarely kill songbirds, and cats hardly ever catch birds of prey. That is why I did not share this statistic. But of course, you are welcome to do so.

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@holger @mmalc
Many rural farmers shoot and kill every bird of prey they see because they've lost chickens to them sometimes, but I never hear that discussed much.

@holger @GreenFire

Oh, fair comment.

From my comparatively limited interactions, though, I get the impression that many local opponents to wind power aren't particularly sophisticated.

"Waaargh, windmills kill birds. Waaah.”

Pointing out the existential threat of climate change doesn't have any effect; pointing out that *their* semi-feral cat probably kills more birds than any turbine, however, hits home (so to speak)

@holger @GreenFire

Frustratingly, I've more than once seen a neighbour's moggy take down a feathered friend.

OTOH, I've also witnessed the local bobcat taking out gophers and voles, which to be candid is fine by me.