Mastodawn

i cant wait to get a steam frame

https://lemmy.world/post/40930897

i cant wait to get a steam frame - Lemmy.World

i was gonna get a quest 3 for christmas but then the steam frame got announced and i was like HELL NAH and thew my quest 3 ideas out of the window. if everything falls into place il have my steam frame just intime for my birthday :D gone will the days where i will be kicked from vrc lobbies for being a “Questie”. gone will be the days of my game crashing mid snuggle session, gone the days of having a lowkey mid game selection (apart from like metro awakening as if i was gonna get the quest 3 i would have 100% gotten that game) cant wait to get ittttt (also i cant wait to play half life alyx on it)

morgan423 Dec 30

Not picking it up myself, but definitely hope that you enjoy it.

NGL, the whole FEX-compatibility thing that’ll let you also play non-VR games on it with a normal controller is kind of neat, though I have no idea of how it will perform vs Steam Deck / Steam Machine / other starter PC.

If I were in a situation where I didn’t have normal displays everywhere, I’d consider it as a traditional AR solution.

helimopp Dec 30

cant waittttt

chronicledmonocle Dec 30

Uh…what was that about a snuggle session? LOL.

Also, people kick out others for being on Quest? Why not just launch VR Chat via SteamLink to your Quest? You can launch all SteamVR games via SteamLink to the Quest headset. I have a Quest 2 and use it for pretty much only streaming from my PC over WiFi from my Linux PC.

helimopp Dec 30

“Why not just launch VR Chat via SteamLink to your Quest?”

oh if it where only that simple my sweet summer child :(. my laptop cant… run anything lol

chronicledmonocle Dec 31

Well the Steam Frame is mostly going to be a streaming headset from a gaming PC with the possibility of running things local, so you’re going to need a gaming PC to run things like HL: Alyx.

helimopp Dec 31

they advertise the fact that it can run half life alyx natively tho

plus i dont have a job so theres no way i wanna upgrade my laptop i got in covid

woelkchen Dec 31

they advertise the fact that it can run half life alyx natively tho

Where? I watched an interview where the guys only said that they hope to make it happen and it would stream off a PC otherwise and that they were looking into a Aperture Desk Job sized game.

Lemmchen Dec 30

Yeah, the Steam Frame is one of those things where no matter what it’ll end up costing (realistically) I’m going to buy one.

helimopp Dec 30

i feel like steam is gonna sell them at a good price even if they are gonna make a loss on them, because gaben is tuff like that

erusuoyera Dec 31

They are definitely not selling the Gabe cube at a loss. The steam deck could be sold at a loss, because people will buy steam games for it, but the steam machine is a PC, and there would be nothing stopping, for example, corporations buying thousands as cheap workstations that will never see a single steam purchase.

potustheplant Dec 31

The post (and replies) are about the VR headset (steam frame), not the gabecube.

DanWolfstone Dec 31

Not to point this at you but I am getting a bit tired of hearing people parrot the point that If they’re low cost then corps will buy them in droves.

Most companies will set up a deal with other companies to buy bulk at low prices, I highly doubt valve will offer that considering the restrictions they put on buying the steam deck to avoid scalpers.

I’d like to hope the Gabe cube be priced at a reasonable consumer viable price (+ ram tax) with the same 1 per account restriction that they had on the deck

Echo Dot Dec 31

Blame LTT for that. They’re the ones that put out the initial idea that corporations might buy them thus valve cannot sell them at a loss.

When I first heard them say that I initially thought “yeah that makes sense”. But after a while of thinking about it, no it doesn’t make any sense at all, I have no idea why he said that.

sp3ctr4l Dec 31

Linus is such a fucking idiot, around everything around linux, that he functions as an industry plant for Microsoft.

Echo Dot Dec 31

Really he’s been pretty critical of Microsoft lately. I don’t really have a problem with him personally, he definitely doesn’t live in the real world though.

sp3ctr4l Dec 31

Only time I ever hear about him is some new really dumb thing he said/did.

I’m obviously not a fan and don’t follow him anymore, so I am biased in that way.

cloudwolf Dec 31

Unless the price is ridiculously low, corporations are not buying thousands of anything without a support contract. Next day repairs/exchnages and priority support are a must when dealing with hardware at scale, and Valve is not going to offer that.

Dell/Lenovo/HP are already more expensive than consumer-grade hardware from Best Buy unless you are a very large customer. Companies pay for reliability, warranty and support.

drosophila Jan 1

It happened to the Playstation, though not for use as workstations usually.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_cluster

Although Valve apparently already takes anti-scalping measures with the Steam Deck, so maybe it could work out in that way (as in, each steam account gets a limited number of purchases, TOS against trying to bypass that limit, etc).

OtherOS - Wikipedia

Those PlayStation supercomputers were wild. I don’t think it’s analogous to the various bits of Steam hardware coming out though, since Valve sells directly through Steam. You can’t order anything by the pallet.

The other thing to consider is that the PS3 was used for clustered computing primarily because of the Cell processor. I have no recollection of why the cell processor performed better on certain types of problems. PS3 wasn’t being used for Excel spreadsheets, it was used for niche academic use and that one Air Force supercomputer. The Steam hardware though uses pretty standard hardware, AMD processor and Radeon graphics card.

Considering the added friction of buying through Steam, i doubt it will have same draw.

Echo Dot Dec 31

Most corporations just buy laptops and then the world’s cheapest docking stations. So would have to be cheaper than a mid-tier laptop and I can’t see that being likely.

Yep and once warranty is finished they sell off the hardware allowing me to pick up solid used Thinkpads to run Linux on. Warranty service is too important to corporations.

helimopp Dec 31

good point. could they be selling the steam frame at a loss since its more game oriented?

sp3ctr4l Dec 31

There’s actually a huge thing stopping corporations from buying them in bulk as workstations:

They’re only sold on Steam, directly by Valve, then shipped to you.

Just like all other Valve hardware.

You… need a Steam account.

And they can very easily just say ‘one per person!’

People need to stop with this ‘companies will buy them in bulk and fuck everything up!’ line of logic.

It makes almost 0 sense.

A company would only be able to do that by setting up a system of fraudulent accounts on Steam, which would violate the TOS individually, and potentially be quite illegal collectively.

You won’t be able to buy a new Steam Machine, at Valve’s MSRP, at Walmart, or Best Buy, or NewEgg, or MicroCenter.

You might be able eventually find some on Amazon, or Walmart’s online stores, something like that, but those will be from resellers of dubious sourcing methods, and they will be charging more than MSRP.

A company would only be able to do that by setting up a system of fraudulent accounts on Steam, which would violate the TOS individually, and potentially be quite illegal collectively.

And a huge hassle just to end up with a bunch of unsupported hardware

Blackmist Dec 31

I’m fully expecting this to be triple the price of the Quest 3S.

helimopp Dec 31

they said the frame will be under the price of the valve index. either they mean the headset itself (500$ or so) or everything needed to run the headset (1000 or so)

Blackmist Dec 31

The latter.

helimopp Dec 31

aw

At the moment that statement applies to all 3 products.

Hey, you do realize that the steam frame isn’t going to have enough horsepower to run full pcvr vrchat on it’s own right? You’ll still be about to run the Android version, but that’s just the quest version still.

Now if you plan to stream from your full gaming PC it’ll be great, but realize that the frame itself is a little less powerful than a steamdeck which can barely handle full PC VRChat in desktop mode.

Don’t get me wrong, day one purchase for me too.

helimopp Dec 30

ok so do you want me to get the steam frame or not

I just want you to understand what it can and can’t do, if you buy it expecting to get a full pcvr experience out of it without streaming from a PC then you are going to be disappointed.

helimopp Dec 30

Are you sure? It’s 3 times more powerful than the quest 3, and the quest 3 can do some cool stuff

The steam frame, while seemingly really cool, just won’t be able to handle the worst of pc vr chat because it’s 100% guaranteed to be worse than a dedicated pc. Dedicated pcs already struggle with vr chat. It’s because there’s a million people with custom unoptimised player models everywhere.

Sir_Kevin Dec 31

VRChat has many many options to deal with that. My PC only has an RTX 2060 and it manages ok.

Well, we’ll see if the steam frame can handle it. I imagine it won’t.

Sir_Kevin Dec 31

I think it’s more a question of, how will it look once the settings are knocked down enough for a smooth framerate.

woelkchen Dec 31

The Valve reps said in some interview that the cannot even promise HL Alyx running natively on the Frame and that’s their homegrown flagship VR title. You’d think Valve would design hardware tailored to do that.

helimopp Dec 31

ok so by your bloody metric, i just wasted a christmas (parents didn’t get my anything so that i could get a bigger present next year on my birthday) so i can get a glorified vr version of a PlayStation portal. is this correct?

woelkchen Dec 31

by your bloody metric

It’s not my metric, I merely repeated what I remembered from one of the interviews and my astonishment from hearing what I heard.

If you “wasted christmas”, that’s your metric, not mine.

helimopp Dec 31

well thanks i guess

🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 Dec 30

Bruh, my PC designed for VR barely runs VRChat.

100% accurate.

My Quest 2 is fucken garbage when using Steam Link and it never was before. No idea whats going down. I cant wait for the Steam Frame and Controllers. Its going to be so wonderful gaming on Linux.

🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 Dec 30

Every update just breaks something a little more. I literally only want a Frame for the software. If I could flash the Quest 3 to run the Frame’s OS? I’d risk bricking my headset to do so. Fuck Meta.

helimopp Dec 30

yeahhhh. i hope the controllers wont beak as easily as my quest ones. my controllers have the opposite of stick drift where until i push it rlly hard, the sticks wont input, if they even input. also they like to force my chaarcter backward when im pushing forward on my stick so yeah. movement based games aint that good on my quest anymore.

vividspecter Dec 31

Try wivrn if you’re on Linux (or alvr as a fallback).

nocturne Dec 30

I picked up a psvr and was so excited for it… only I cannot see shit because it does not fit over my glasses. I have intentionally not looked at the frame at all because I do not want to face the same thing happen.

Sir_Kevin Dec 31

I think the frame is going to support perscription lenses but don’t quote me on that.

nocturne Dec 31

Where you have to buy special lenses that fit into it? The psvr does too, I cannot afford that shit.

actualaccount Dec 30

I am also hyped for the Frame. I’ve got an Index that’s a few years old now. I’m a little sad my FBT won’t natively run, but I’m sure something will come up; not too worried.

Metostopholes Dec 30

I have held off on buying any VR rig, but now I am SO READY.

I feel the exact same. I have a Quest 3S, and I can’t wait to dump it immediately as soon as I get a Frame.

helimopp Dec 31

i heard the quest 3s isnt that good compared to the 3. no headphone jack is a huge loss for me unless the bluetooth latency problem is fixed

For what I use it for (mostly Beat Saber, but also 3D modeling), it’s not bad. For what I’d like to use it for (AAA VR games), it’s terrible. But, it’s way better than the Quest 1 I had before it. Still, the Frame is going to absolutely destroy it.

I might get one aswell, as long as it’s not too expensive. Haven’t been able to play Half-Life Alyx yet.

Mark with a Z Dec 31

Me too. From what I’ve heard meta hardware is great, but I wouldn’t take it even if they gave it to me for free.

dumbluck Dec 31

ELI haven’t been following VR at all (because i haven’t). Why is Quest trash, specifically? It sounds like Frame is little more than a VR display for the Steam Box/gaming PC. Am I grossly misunderstanding the situation?

Diplomjodler Dec 31

The frame is a gaming computer in its own right but can also be used as a display. There’s nothing wrong with the Quest from a technological standpoint. It’s just that you’re forced into the closed Meta ecosystem in order to use it. Many people don’t want to be there these days. Steam hardware tends to be open and moddable. Let’s hope they keep that up with the upcoming products.

dumbluck Dec 31

All that makes sense. I didn’t realize the Frame could run games on its own. Any idea how powerful it will be? Equivalent to a steamdeck? Is the Quest similarly capable?