John HannonDec 30
flexghost.

The Democratic Party lost in 2024. It did an autopsy.

Then they hid it.

If we can’t be honest about why we lost so badly, why young voters walked away, and why leadership closed ranks, we’re not fixing a party

We’re protecting the corporate donors

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/dec/30/democratic-party-autopsy-report-2024-election

Dec 30 at 3:16pmWeb
Show threadRoryDec 30
@flexghost You speak the absolute truth, @flexghost. If by now, they (Democrats) have to realize that if you want change, then you have to put new, young faces. if they don't yet realize this, then this political sh*t show will come, and go... Then it will come, and go. It'll keep repeating. I just don't get though how some could vote for Democrats, and then just make a complete u-turn, and vote radical...
Show threadflexghost.Dec 30
@rlstone4dems since I came to this country and became politically aware, the DNC has relied on the exact same messaging, exuberant spending, Boeing to donors while grassroots organizations try to keep the country from back sliding. The damn finally broke and we were not able to save it and they just throw up their hands and continue marching the exact same direction
Show threadRoryDec 30
@flexghost I'd be a fool to disagree with you, @flexghost. Especially considering that Democrats are known to sit on their hands and do absolutely nothing... And yeah, all talk, and no action, is no different than doing nothing... That's my biggest complaint with the Democrats... They'll just make empty statements, that usually amount to nothing...
Show threadRoryDec 30
@flexghost Hey, I know that these mainstream parties (Democrats included) don't work for the majority. But at least, the blue party knows how to act like adults...
Show threadflexghost.Dec 30
@rlstone4dems no the majority has been ignored and they know that they are ignoring the majority
Show threadpaintgoblinDec 30
@flexghost I keep wondering if the observation about corporate capitalism being more worried about the investors than the company's customers applies to the u.s democratic party
Show threadflexghost.Dec 30
@paintgoblin you have no idea how much it makes my heart sync when I read about a politician standing up to corporate donors and then there’s an R next to their name so rare it’s ever a D
Show threadFemme MalheureuseDec 30

@flexghost Worse and yet somehow understandable if it's what I think it is.

Imagine a foreign nation/state successfully skewed perception of Democratic voters within certain groups. Imagine the government will do nothing about it. Should the DNC disclose to that nation/state that it knows about this influence op and that it was successful?

The US was successfully manipulated in 2016; the ops were never *successfully* investigated and prosecuted. It lead to further harm.

What to do?

Show threadnotanowlDec 30
@flexghost i checked out after the 2016 primary and will never look back
Show threadOberst EnzianDec 30

@flexghost The DNC lost because *this is a fascist country and they weren’t fascist enough.* Conversely, they also lost because *they don’t actually stand for anything*… which nobody, including fascists, can respect.

My guess is they’ve realized they need to go hard in either embracing fascism like the populace or in the opposite direction. Unfortunately, fighting fascism is less profitable and potentially lethal. The DNC likes money and breathing so expect more fascism from them.

Show threadtroy_friz_zellDec 30

@flexghost

Gee, this post really brought out the "it's all hopeless and we should all stop trying" crowd.

If you don't like the Wall Street Democrats, vote them out. That's what primaries are all about.

But giving up is helping the fascists. You may as well join the Republicans.

Show threadOberst EnzianDec 30

@troy_frizzell @flexghost I can’t speak for anyone else but I don’t think the situation is hopeless. But I do think trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results is a sign of insanity.

I think a large portion of the American populace suffers from a severe lack of imagination. You guys can’t imagine a better world arranged differently. I think that’s because you all have so much invested in the status quo. A fair world would make you… less white lol

Show threadGeorge BDec 30

@flexghost

I wonder how high "not having a real primary" ranks in their reasons for losing in 2024

Show threadarceuthobiumDec 31
@gbargoud @flexghost you could probably compare the states that had real primaries with those that did not, my guess is you won’t find much difference.
Show threadGeorge BDec 31

@flexghost @theothersimo

No state had a real primary because a real primary requires an actual chance that someone other than the chosen candidate wins and going state by state like that meant there was absolutely no chance of another candidate winning, not even a slim one

Show threadarceuthobiumDec 31
@gbargoud @flexghost but that was never going to fucking happen so what the fuck are you smoking? Short of choosing candidates by lot there was never any feasible way to defeat an incumbent president in a primary.
Show threadGeorge BDec 31

@theothersimo @flexghost

That's not the only thing a real primary is good for. It also forces candidates to make efforts to win the votes that went to others in the primary and take some of their more popular positions.

In any case, having a candidate picked without any effort to even give the illusion of choice and then going "actually he's not even a good candidate, here's someone else" definitely lost the democratic party some votes.

Show threadGeorge BDec 31

@theothersimo @flexghost

Also what a fucking unnecessary amount of agression.