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“Seven Million Square Kilometers Must Not Be Lost”: Chinese Media Openly Discusses Carving Up Russia

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“Seven Million Square Kilometers Must Not Be Lost”: Chinese Media Openly Discusses Carving Up Russia - Lemmy.zip

While Kremlin propaganda feeds Russians fairy tales about “great friendship” and “strategic partnership without limits,” Chinese media calmly discusses exactly how those limits will be redrawn. Not someday in the distant future — but when Russia collapses. And according to Chinese authors, preparations should begin now.

Dec 30 at 10:05amWeb
Show threadspecimenDec 30
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Show threadBrave Little Hitachi WandDec 30
They’re not gonna fight. This one is over before it started, Russia is already well along the path to becoming a Chinese client state.
Show threadRoidingOldManDec 30
You’re joking about WW3.
Show threadplythDec 30
WW3 is USA against China. This post is about the contingency plan to prevent the US from controlling China’s northern border.
Show threadAussiemandeusDec 30
You sure it won’t be Europe and China against America?
Show threadTruscapeDec 30
That seems a bit of a stretch in terms of geopolitical cooperation, and if we are going off nuclear arsenal concentrations and overall military budgets, it would likely end up with the majority of WWIII’s damage coming from the US and China regardless.
Show threadjayboneDec 30
Oddly I could maybe see Trump siding with Russia and the EU siding with China.
Show threadplythDec 31

But in the meantime, it is imperative that no Eurasian challenger emerges, capable of dominating Eurasia and thus also of challenging America.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

That would be America’s worst nightmare.

They look like buffoons right now but I think it’s all strategy to prevent people in Europe from questioning the armarment.

The Grand Chessboard - Wikipedia

Show threadSaharaMaleikuhmDec 30
I also make jokes about climate change. Not because I don’t think it’s real, but because I am powerless to do anything about it and humor is my sole way of coping with anything.
Show threadatro_cityDec 30
If Winnie The Pooh could do us all a solid and stop supporting Russia for a goddamn second, they could easily take over the 1M km2. What's Russia going to do?
Show threadHootinNHollerinDec 30
While china sides with russia, china still wants russia, Europe, and the US draining money and resources in Ukraine and not paying attention to Taiwan or its other territorial ambitions, including lands it previously lost to russia
Show threadJensSpahnpastaDec 30

Putin has driven Russia in a really bad situation. His army is currently unable to conquer Ukraine. He lost most of the old soviet stockpile of tanks, airplanes and equipment. It looks like his air defense is broken and Ukraine is bombarding his refineries on a weekly basis. And he has lost so many people. We can also guess that the majority of his army and his air defenses are currently in Ukraine.

If China really wants to take russian land there is not much that Putin can do against it except to use his nuclear weapons.

Show threadsnoonsDec 30

except to use his nuclear weapons.

Which might not be properly maintained. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Show threadAngryCommieKenderDec 30
Might‽‽‽ I can almost guarantee those were the first casualties of the corruption that is endemic in the Russian government and military.
Show threadjayambiDec 30

i rember this scene of the Chernobyl mini series:

"Ah its only 3.5(unit of radiation) we don’t need to worry!

But the testing device they had could only go as far as 3.5… The actual level was around a factor of 100 or so…

Show threadsnoonsDec 30
Those soviet era devices still work I bet. I wonder if any fascists are using them…
Show threadjayambiDec 30
let’s hope
Show threadxeekeiDec 30
3.6 roentgen. Not great, not terrible.
Show threadDandomRudeDec 30

And that’s just the military perspective. Economically, things are unlikely to look much better.

I think it was another clever move by the Chinese: Russia’s abandonment of trade with Europe has made it very dependent on China. Sooner or later, they will be able to pick up the pieces - bankrupt assets at bargain prices, so to speak.

Show threadphilpoDec 30

Winnie doesn’t need force. He simply can use his economic power.

If he simply puts a full embargo on Russia Putler would be done within a year.

Show threadjimmy90Jan 1

nobody linked the original as far as i can see so:

m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=a…

中国须做最坏打算：若俄罗斯解体，这块700万的土地，一定不能丢

俄罗斯这个邻居，这些年跟中国走得挺近，边境上贸易热火朝天，能源管道拉得老长，合作项目一个接一个。但国际形势这东西，总是藏着变数，特别是俄乌冲突拖了这么久，俄罗斯内部压力不小。

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Show threadfreagleJan 1
“Chinese media” is apparently a basketball fan with 48 followers posting speculative blog posts on the gamer equivalent of substance. Fuck this Ukrainian “journalist”.
Show threadplythDec 30
This is a contingency plan. China must be interested in maintaining Russia as a buffer at its northern border.
Show threadI_Has_A_HatDec 30
A buffer at its northern border? A buffer from what? Polar bears?
Show threadplythDec 30
A systemic rival who could use it as a staging ground like they used Iraq’s neighbors. Using Korea alone would be too defendable.
Show threadSiegfriedDec 30
Are you sure what buffer zone means?
Show threadfreagleDec 30
How can you even say that? There’s no link to the article in question, if you search for it online the only things you get trace back to this author and this article, and there’s no attribution .
Show threadplythDec 30
Which part of my comment?
Show threadfreagleDec 30

This is a contingency plan

It’s not a contingency plan at all! It’s likely a try-hard post on a gamer forum.

Show threadplythDec 31
I mean it in the sense that China is not actively planning to carve up Russia.
Show threadwitty_usernameDec 30
Give st Petersburg to Ukraine
Show threadvpolDec 30
Finland.
Show threadjenesaisquoiDec 30
Along with Karelia
Show threadgigachadDec 30

I guess you already know what I, as a German have to say regarding Kaliningrad/Konigsberg -

Tap for spoiler

Please keep that shithole for yourself, we don’t want it

Show threadsnoonsDec 30
but imagine turning the hole place into a hans im glück
Show threadAllNewTypeFaceDec 30

If, however, it is cleansed of orcish contamination, the topology of its bridges should be restored to what it was in Euler’s time, and it should be placed on the UNESCO world heritage register as such.

Other than that, making it Czechia’s Baltic port sounds sensible.

Show threadjenesaisquoiDec 30
Fun fact: Russia offered Königsberg to Germany in the 90s. Germany declined. They offered it to Poland next, which also declined.
Show threadveni_vedi_veniDec 31
Is it because as soon as you have a large concentration of Russian people in a territory, that leaves a Causus Belli for Russia to attack you in the future under the guise of protecting their people?
Show threadjenesaisquoiJan 1
Today, absolutely! Back then, it might not’ve been a concern, as Russia was effectively bankrupt and busy trying not to completely collapse. I think it was more about integrating a sizeable russian minority, dealing with significant enironmental pollution, deteriorating infrastructure and soviet-built nuclear reactors being too much of a headache, not to mention stupidly expensive.
Show threadtalDec 30
I doubt that China will try to break up Russia. I do think that China will aim to establish long-run Russian dependence on China.
Show threadOmegaDec 30
AI Generated Thumbnail. No thanks, not reading that.
Show threadfreagleDec 30
Good choice. The author claims there’s an article somewhere in China that someone wrote. Never links to it. Never names the author. It read like fanfic.
Show threadsilly_crotchDec 31
To be fair if there is such an article, it is probably on wechat, which AFAIK does not allow outside links.
Show threadfreagleDec 31
It says, right in the fanfic, it comes from NetEase, a gaming website.
Show threadjimmy90Jan 1

m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=a…

glhf

中国须做最坏打算：若俄罗斯解体，这块700万的土地，一定不能丢

俄罗斯这个邻居，这些年跟中国走得挺近，边境上贸易热火朝天，能源管道拉得老长，合作项目一个接一个。但国际形势这东西，总是藏着变数，特别是俄乌冲突拖了这么久，俄罗斯内部压力不小。

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Show threadfreagleJan 1

Yup. Fan fic. The author of this article has 48 followers. The disclaimed from NetEase at the bottom says that NetEase is a social media platform and people who publish articles are just random people with no affiliation. The author’s handle “Shuo Fang Lookout” is likely a reference to being a fan of the Chinese basketball star.

So exactly as I said. It’s bullshit fanfic being reported on by a Ukrainian “journalist” because he thinks it helps to make the case that China is not actually Russia’s ally.

So, trash.

Show threadjimmy90Jan 1

m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=a…

someone can’t speak chinese

中国须做最坏打算：若俄罗斯解体，这块700万的土地，一定不能丢

俄罗斯这个邻居，这些年跟中国走得挺近，边境上贸易热火朝天，能源管道拉得老长，合作项目一个接一个。但国际形势这东西，总是藏着变数，特别是俄乌冲突拖了这么久，俄罗斯内部压力不小。

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Show threadfreagleJan 1
“Chinese media” is apparently a basketball fan with 48 followers posting speculative blog posts on the gamer equivalent of substance. Fuck this Ukrainian “journalist”.
Show threadjimmy90Jan 1
m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=a…
中国须做最坏打算：若俄罗斯解体，这块700万的土地，一定不能丢

俄罗斯这个邻居，这些年跟中国走得挺近，边境上贸易热火朝天，能源管道拉得老长，合作项目一个接一个。但国际形势这东西，总是藏着变数，特别是俄乌冲突拖了这么久，俄罗斯内部压力不小。

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Show threadfreagleJan 1

Since posted it twice I will just copy and paste my response from your other comment

Yup. Fan fic. The author of this article has 48 followers. The disclaimed from NetEase at the bottom says that NetEase is a social media platform and people who publish articles are just random people with no affiliation. The author’s handle “Shuo Fang Lookout” is likely a reference to being a fan of the Chinese basketball star.

So exactly as I said. It’s bullshit fanfic being reported on by a Ukrainian “journalist” because he thinks it helps to make the case that China is not actually Russia’s ally.

So, trash.

Show threadjimmy90Jan 1

m.163.com/dy/article/KHNNTAJA0556EX1M.html?spss=a…

be brave darling

中国须做最坏打算：若俄罗斯解体，这块700万的土地，一定不能丢

俄罗斯这个邻居，这些年跟中国走得挺近，边境上贸易热火朝天，能源管道拉得老长，合作项目一个接一个。但国际形势这东西，总是藏着变数，特别是俄乌冲突拖了这么久，俄罗斯内部压力不小。

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Show threadfreagleJan 1
“Chinese media” is apparently a basketball fan with 48 followers posting speculative blog posts on the gamer equivalent of substance. Fuck this Ukrainian “journalist”.
Show threadAllNewTypeFaceDec 30
Wonder if Japan has a chance of reclaiming its (never formally ceded) Northern Territories (“Kuril islands”), or whether China will occupy them specifically to prevent this.
Show threadSnarkoPoloDec 30

I oppose Chinese imperialism.

BUT, anything that gives Poots a sad is OK with me.

Show threadGobbel2000Dec 30
I’m not sure that’s really what’s happening. The plan is specifically for when Russia collapses. I fear that this might make the job of any more democratic successor to Putin much harder, because the worst way to start a new government is by having a large part of your country taken away.
Show threadmanxuDec 31

Fair, but also exactly what happens to empires in general when they stumble. That’s been true since the dawn of civilization, and for Russia herself in 1917, then in 1991.

Russia’s case is particularly bad, because outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg, people seem to be very meh about being part of Russia, despite propaganda making it seem otherwise. I think we got the best indication of it when Wagner marched to Moscow without any significant resistance, cheered on by significant parts of the population.

Show threadrustyfishDec 30

External powers — the US, Japan — will try to intervene, but the Shanghai Cooperation Organization will “diplomatically fence them out.”

You overestimate how much we care about Russia, its territory or the people. The answer is: not that much. 

Show threadMehBlahDec 30
I can’t wait for the tankie support of imperialist china. I’m not gay but I kinda enjoy watching someone suck their own dick.
Show threadcassandrafatigueDec 31
Hey, asshole, trans women exist. You’re covered.
Show threadMehBlahDec 31
Look a tankie.