fne8w2ahMale Student Allegedly Created AI Nudes of 13-Year-Old Girl & School Suspended Her, Not Him
It was likely due to the publicity of the case, but nonetheless the police did their job in this one.
“According to a release from the Lafourche Parish Sheriff’s Office, a male student is now facing 10 counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence, and more charges could come.”
Nah, I’m pretty sure making AI porn of a minor is something any police force would shit bricks over.
Police officers beat their spouses at twice the rate of the general population. That should tell you everything you need to know about how serious most cops take sex crimes.
RivalarrivalHe needs to be charged for inciting/instigating violence. There was an assault. There was a battery. The girl is not responsible for these crimes, but these crimes did occur. They occurred because of this boy’s deplorable, egregious, and criminal acts of harassment against her, and he should be charged for having instigated the attack.
FriendOfDeSotoLet’s take a moment to realize that 95% of you hadn’t heard of cafe mom as an outlet until just now. And that the article’s headline is misleading/tabloidy at best. And while the rest seems well researched, it’s clearly misleading a bit. If you start beating a kid on the bus and ask others to join in, it’s not a surprise that you get suspended. Yes, she’s also the victim of terrible bullying and felt let down by the faculty (who - understandably - may need more than hearsay before they start taking action). You can still not beat people up. Nobody doesn’t understand that she did it. And indeed even the police looks at all of this as mitigating circumstances. And she’s back in school and on probation and that’s hopefully what they do with all kids who start fistfights. The buried headline is that the other kid is under police investigation, which has the potential not only to get him suspended after all but will have even more serious consequences. From what I read here, the system works as well as it can but the story is written to cause outrage.
I understand that victims of bullying like this or sexual assault in general face an uphill battle they never wanted to fight. And with the details in this story I can totally understand why the girl snapped. And I wish her nothing but the best and appropriate punishment for the kids who circulated the images. And still, you can’t resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it. We are not talking about self defense here.
The headline is unequivocally false. She was suspended for attacking her bully. The AI nudes had nothing to do with the school’s decision to suspend her.
WraithGearthat’s a fucking glaring issue
He instigated the attack. Instigation is a crime. He’s responsible for the attack, not her. The school erred in suspending her; she was the victim of his instigation.
Woah there.
We don’t read articles.
We just circle jerk over how obviously smarter than everyone else we are.
ThotDragonHere’s the AP source: apnews.com/…/school-deepfake-nude-ai-cyberbullyin…
Deepfake cyberbullying: Schools confront rise of AI-generated nude images
A 13-year-old girl at a Louisiana middle school got into a fight with classmates who were sharing AI-generated nude images of her. She wound up getting expelled — and the students sharing the images apparently were not disciplined by the school. The police took the opposite action, charging two of the boys who’d been accused of sharing explicit images. The case highlights the challenges schools face with AI-related cyberbullying. Experts warn that adults are often unprepared for the digital harm caused by such technology. Lafourche Parish School District Superintendent Jarod Martin said the school system followed all its protocols for reporting misconduct and said a “one-sided story” had been presented of the case.
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inb4_FoundTheVeganyou can’t resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it.
No one is saying that. Cafemom linked to the AP article they shortened.
The actual issue is she already gone to school administrators and wasn’t believed so nothing happened. Even at her young age, she is learning that women are not believed while being sexually harassed. She already attempted to deal with the problem “the right way” but the system failed her.
The girls begged for help, first from a school guidance counselor and then from a sheriff’s deputy assigned to their school. But the images were shared on Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed, and the adults couldn’t find them. The principal had doubts they even existed.
With the mocking unrelenting, the girl texted her sister, “It’s not getting handled.” As the school day wound down, the principal was skeptical. At the disciplinary hearing, the girl’s attorney asked why the sheriff’s deputy didn’t check the phone of the boy the girls were accusing and why he was allowed on the same bus as the girl. “Kids lie a lot,” responded Coriell, the principal. “They lie about all kinds of things. They blow lots of things out of proportion on a daily basis. In 17 years, they do it all the time. So to my knowledge, at 2 o’clock when I checked again, there were no pictures.”
It’s easy to armchair moralize that this teenager acted inappropriately. But the very day she attacked the kid she was pleading for help at the school office for the systemic problem.
“When we ignore the digital harm, the only moment that becomes visible is when the victim finally breaks,”
You’re looking for a victim who only ever acted perfectly, instead of looking at the broken system that could’ve prevented this situation by guidance councilors, sheriffs and principals actually believing her one of the multiple times she sought help.
Deepfake cyberbullying: Schools confront rise of AI-generated nude images
A 13-year-old girl at a Louisiana middle school got into a fight with classmates who were sharing AI-generated nude images of her. She wound up getting expelled — and the students sharing the images apparently were not disciplined by the school. The police took the opposite action, charging two of the boys who’d been accused of sharing explicit images. The case highlights the challenges schools face with AI-related cyberbullying. Experts warn that adults are often unprepared for the digital harm caused by such technology. Lafourche Parish School District Superintendent Jarod Martin said the school system followed all its protocols for reporting misconduct and said a “one-sided story” had been presented of the case.
Too add on here, the pricipals defense for doing nothing about what she reported worked out to “ive been doing this for a long time, and kids lie a lot.”
Thats it. As usual, a victim of sexual harrasement gets told that since they dont have irrefutable proof, the “system” wont do anything. They didnt even act to seperate the two students from riding the same bus for 1 day.
Its no wonder the girl, who was one of msny that was having theze picturez spread about her in her friend group, took action.
What’s so mind-bogglingly stupid about this is the adults pretending that the only form of evidence is the images themselves. Testimony IS evidence. In fact, it’s often the primary form of evidence, as no other form of evidence can be admitted in court without someone to testify to its veracity. You don’t just present security camera footage, you present the footage and have someone testify that they set the camera up and can swear to the authenticity of its images. Same with DNA evidence. A scientist gets on the stand and says under oath that they performed a DNA analysis and reached certain conclusions. Ultimately every form of evidence has to have some personal testimony behind it, as you fundamentally have a right to face your accuser.
I mentioned that I do understand why she did what she did. You add more information to this story that only increase understanding as far as I’m concerned.
Let me turn this into an extreme example for comparison’s sake. If a parent shot their child’s rapist and murderer, we all get it. Nobody will say “I have no idea why they would do such a thing.” A lot of us outsiders would look at that case and even be glad about this outcome. And at the same time, the mother or father would end up in prison. Because you cannot take the law in your own hands and expect not to be punished for that. There will be mitigating circumstances, they won’t go in for life. The punishment might just be exactly the time they spent in custody before their trial. But there will be punishment because we have rules about that. (Obviously, this example is not the same as this case of bullying. I’m only using it to compare consequences.)
Was this self defense? She was just defending her digital privacy? I’m not a lawyer. As a layman, I’m going to say this does not meet the legal criteria. Morally? Absolutely.
We can meter out appropriate punishment to everybody else here: the school that maybe responded badly. The parents of the dipshits who got their hands on an undress app. The fact that there are undress apps available to middle schoolers or anybody really. Etc. But we also have the benefit of hindsight.
You and I get why she threw punches. We might even go as far as cheering her on, in our heads, had we somehow been there. Go get those bastards, black eyes for all of them. My point was merely that if you resorted to violence like that you cannot expect not to be punished for it. Like in my extreme example, there are mitigating circumstances. Plenty of them. All should be considered. But there will be something on the record. In this case the suspension/probation, which I hoped is the punishment for every fight.
She got suspended and he didn’t (yet, as we find out halfway through). The headline of the linked article in the post implied that this was the outrageous part. My criticism was aimed first and foremost at the writer/editor of that article.
queermunist she/herWas this self defense? She was just defending her digital privacy? I’m not a lawyer. As a layman, I’m going to say this does not meet the legal criteria. Morally? Absolutely.
Why do you say that?
She was being harmed and so she defended herself, and the harm stopped. Looks like self-defense to me.
In my view, self defense is a legal defense when somebody used violence to defend themselves against an immediate threat of physical harm. I don’t see how, legally, you could expand the parameters to fit this case. But I’m also not a lawyer.
The argument it seems to me you could be building here is that the victim of despicable bullying, ignored and misunderstood by all the authorities, lashed out out of desperation. And that in itself is an act of self defense. I think that’s a moral way to look at it, but not a legal one. The latter will look at this exactly as mitigating circumstances.
What is required is that there is a reasonable belief that they are in imminent physical danger. There are other factors, like attempting to deescalate and such, but she actually did that when she begged her school for help.
And being sexually harassed is reasonable reason to believe that they are in danger of sexual assault, or worse.
That’s why, when the police got involved, the boy was arrested and now faces 10 charges. She has not been arrested and is not facing charges. Legally, she seems to be in the clear.
You clearly have a different take on the situation. A bunch of dipshits showing deepfakes around on a bus, ostensibly with other people around who are not party to this dispute and a grownup in the driver’s seat, does not convince me that even your interpretation applies here. But neither one of us was present, we are both arm chairing this, we are just sitting in different arm chairs. Let’s leave it at that.
I’m not going to leave it. You’re wrong and you need to know it.
It wasn’t just one instance on the bus. These AI nudes were being traded around for a while and it wasn’t just happening to this one girl either. There were multiple victims that already been going to the school and the police for help. This was, essentially, a child pornography ring.
In the aftermath we see that the police also interpret the situation the way I do, which is why they arrested the boy while the girl who beat him up was not arrested. Not to say that the police should be totally trusted in legal matters, obviously, it’s up to the court to determine the facts from here. I don’t think the court is going to be sympathetic to this little creep.
In light of the fact that she and the other girls went to the authorities, what the fuck else were they supposed to do? Because it looks like beating this little creep up was actually the correct decision, because it got the legal ball rolling.
I’ll take your points under advisement but I’m most certainly done arguing about this.
You’re the only one armchairing this and quite poorly. You seem to have a cop-drama level understanding of laws.
Unless you were present at the time, you are in the metaphorical arm chair as well.
I’m going to have to agree with the other person; I don’t think this qualifies as “self defense”. HOWEVER, the egregiousness of his harassment does seem to rise to the level of “instigation”, making him criminally responsible for the physical altercation. She’s not being charged with assault and battery, but someone is responsible. He instigated that crime; he should be charged with it.
teftIf this was my daughter i’d have thrown her a party after beating those little shits. Violence is the answer if people in authority are not addressing the situation. It always has been the answer since most of history.
redirtSdeR^ = why gun ownership should be criminalised
I read the actual article when it was posted on social media weeks ago right after it happened.
I want you to understand something. Revenge porn is a crime and a horribly traumatizing experience. She didn’t beat the kid up. She hit him. He didn’t end up in hospital.
The school literally is at fault because they didn’t actually do their due diligence to find out what happened and make even the most miniscule attempt to prevent the circulation of such photos. They expected a child or group of children to admit to circulating pornographic materials. If the school bus has video/photo evidence that this student had or circulated those materials he should be facing expulsion.
What we have to look at is whether or not this was self defense. I’d argue that the victim was trying to defend her right to privacy and to not have pornography materials of her spread around the school. This was defense of her mental health when the system failed.
I’d argue that while I don’t condone fighting this is exactly the situation that leads to it and the school administration let it happen. Why did they allow these kids to get on the same bus? Why was she refused permission to call home? Why didn’t they have her parent or guardian come pick her up?
There were multiple points where the school could have done something to mitigate the circumstances around this assault. They didn’t. They failed. And then they punished her and did nothing to fix the situation where a real and serious criminal act involving CP circulation was happening.
That’s bullshit.
It was self defense as far as I’m concerned.
Also? It got the police involved, and now the creep is facing charges.
Sorry, if a child goes to the school and makes the allegations she did and the school’s response is “I don’t believe you” and then after a second time of reporting it to the school the response is “I can’t find the images on Facebook, I don’t believe you” and “no you can’t contact your parents” it’s frankly inevitable that this would escalate.
Yes it is, but that’s not the point the poster was making.
I myself am a school bus driver and I can tell you that if anyone started beating a kid like that, they’re getting suspended. It doesn’t even matter why. If it’s everyone enough the other kid could be suspended too if they did something awful to start the fight, but that’s just not something you can do.
CileTheSaneThe issue people have here is that she got punished and the kid spreading the pictures around didn’t.
Yes, I would expect her to be punished for starting a fight, but I do not expect her to be punished more than the person creating pornographic images of her and spreading then around.
i don’t understand the need to pretend that she did anything wrong
What happened to her is extremely terrible and people just get was too emotional and turn off their brains so that they can let the anger make them feel just
what
OP clearly just is offended by the concept of a child pornographer getting beaten up, as they for some reason identify with the child pornographer. Interpret that how you will.
you can’t resort to violence and expect not to be punished for it.
No one is saying that. Cafemom linked to the AP article they shortened.
The actual issue is she already gone to school administrators and wasn’t believed so nothing happened. Even at her young age, she is learning that women are not believed while being sexually harassed. She already attempted to deal with the problem “the right way” but the system failed her.
The girls begged for help, first from a school guidance counselor and then from a sheriff’s deputy assigned to their school. But the images were shared on Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed, and the adults couldn’t find them. The principal had doubts they even existed.
With the mocking unrelenting, the girl texted her sister, “It’s not getting handled.” As the school day wound down, the principal was skeptical. At the disciplinary hearing, the girl’s attorney asked why the sheriff’s deputy didn’t check the phone of the boy the girls were accusing and why he was allowed on the same bus as the girl. “Kids lie a lot,” responded Coriell, the principal. “They lie about all kinds of things. They blow lots of things out of proportion on a daily basis. In 17 years, they do it all the time. So to my knowledge, at 2 o’clock when I checked again, there were no pictures.”
It’s easy to armchair moralize that this teenager acted inappropriately. But the very day she attacked the kid she was pleading for help at the school office for the systemic problem.
“When we ignore the digital harm, the only moment that becomes visible is when the victim finally breaks,”
You’re looking for a victim who only ever acted perfectly, instead of looking at the broken system that could’ve prevented this situation by guidance councilors, sheriffs and principals actually believing her one of the multiple times she sought help.
Deepfake cyberbullying: Schools confront rise of AI-generated nude images
A 13-year-old girl at a Louisiana middle school got into a fight with classmates who were sharing AI-generated nude images of her. She wound up getting expelled — and the students sharing the images apparently were not disciplined by the school. The police took the opposite action, charging two of the boys who’d been accused of sharing explicit images. The case highlights the challenges schools face with AI-related cyberbullying. Experts warn that adults are often unprepared for the digital harm caused by such technology. Lafourche Parish School District Superintendent Jarod Martin said the school system followed all its protocols for reporting misconduct and said a “one-sided story” had been presented of the case.
ITT: We victim blame.
The principal, Danielle Coriell, said an investigation came up cold that day as no student took responsibility. The deputy assigned to the school searched social media for the images unsuccessfully, according to a recording of the disciplinary hearing.
“I was led to believe that this was just hearsay and rumors,” the girl’s father said, recounting a conversation he had that morning with the school counselor.
But the girl was miserable, and a police incident report showed more girls were reporting that they were victims, too. The 13-year-old returned to the counselor in the afternoon, asking to call her father. She said she was refused.
Deepfake cyberbullying: Schools confront rise of AI-generated nude images
A 13-year-old girl at a Louisiana middle school got into a fight with classmates who were sharing AI-generated nude images of her. She wound up getting expelled — and the students sharing the images apparently were not disciplined by the school. The police took the opposite action, charging two of the boys who’d been accused of sharing explicit images. The case highlights the challenges schools face with AI-related cyberbullying. Experts warn that adults are often unprepared for the digital harm caused by such technology. Lafourche Parish School District Superintendent Jarod Martin said the school system followed all its protocols for reporting misconduct and said a “one-sided story” had been presented of the case.
ITT: We leave out the reasons for things that happened to shape the narrative into what we prefer.
Fed up, she attacked a boy on the bus, inviting others to join her
She assaulted someone and got punished for it. Being a victim of one thing doesn’t justify becoming a perpetrator of something else.
Hey man if you distribute porn of someone non consenting, you deserve at least a solid punch in the face.
What harm is done that is severe enough to justify violence? There was in no imminent threat of physical harm to themselves or others. Nobody is in danger. Being violent just because your feeling are hurt is barbaric and has no place in a society. Violence is not acceptable.
Hard disagree. What other option did she have at this point, she tried following proper channels to get the bullying resolved and when that didn’t work, did the only other thing she could.
I would 100% go far further if this arrive to my daughter. I would go yo police reporting school sponsored diffusion of pedo pornography. And ruin the school reputation and have all parents involved. This would make me go thermonuclear.
𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠To play devil’s advocate, at that point she had photographic evidence of this happening, so she could have gone back to the school/police with it and let them handle it.
Counter devils advocate: our legal system does allow civilians to stop a crime in progress against themselves, physically, even if the crime itself is nonviolent in nature.
For instance, If i witness someone stealing my property, I am allowed to use reasonable, non-deadly force in defense of my property. She faced serious, permanent, and ongoing mental harm, which she had every right to attempt to stop as it occurred
And the police have fundamentaly agreed she was justified in her actions, and upheld this right, as shes not being charged.
(Although personally I think they should threaten school officials with charges of conspiracy after the fact and abetting the dissemination of csam for the expulsion, to force them to recant it.)
The system not making her feel better is not justification for violence. Taking justice into ones own hands with violence is not acceptable. Period. We are not barbarians or wild animals. She could have gone to her parents, a counselor or a trusted adult to help her manage her emotions over the situation until a better resolution could be reached. While it is understandable to want to be violent when feelings are hurt, it isn’t acceptable to throw hands, or to encourage others to help you violently assault someone. Her violence will do absolutely nothing to stop the sharing of the photos, it will only appease her momentary desire to lash out, with worse consequences, like getting suspended.
It was foolish, impulsive, unhelpful and unacceptable.
She could have gone to her parents, a counselor or a trusted adult to help her manage her emotions over the situation until a better resolution could be reached.
She did. She fucking did all the things that you say she should have done. She availed herself of all the support structures you say she should have utilized, and they all failed her.
Those parents, counselors, and trusted adults could have helped her “manage her emotions” by separating her from the harasser. Instead, they put the two of them together on a bus, effectively unsupervised. She did everything right. All of the social structures that should have supported her failed, and now you’re all <pikachu face> that the most reasonable course of action she had was direct violence.
The school’s actions were foolish, lazy, unhelpful, and unacceptable. In the specific circumstances she faced, her actions were perfectly reasonable.
Managing emotions can’t be done through external acts, it is an internal act. Those systems she bailed to were still working on the issue, instant gratification is not reasonable. Violence is not a reasonable or effective course of action, it is an impulsive and stupid one and it only made her life worse.
They weren’t working the issue, they were ignoring her. The administrators clearly thought she was making shit up.
Now he’s facing charges because she forced the police to look into it.
The situation was not resolved when she attacked him and they were not done with it just because they didn’t immediately do what she wanted, neither were her parents.
Giving a bit more context it wasn’t just this one girl. This was a child porn trading ring with multiple victims, and they all had gone to the school administration and some even went to the police.
The principal, Danielle Coriell, said an investigation came up cold that day as no student took responsibility. The deputy assigned to the school searched social media for the images unsuccessfully, according to a recording of the disciplinary hearing.
“I was led to believe that this was just hearsay and rumors,” the girl’s father said, recounting a conversation he had that morning with the school counselor.
But the girl was miserable, and a police incident report showed more girls were reporting that they were victims, too. The 13-year-old returned to the counselor in the afternoon, asking to call her father. She said she was refused.
Her father says she sent a text message that said, “Dad,” and nothing else. They didn’t talk. With the mocking unrelenting, the girl texted her sister, “It’s not getting handled.”
And so she handled it herself.
Every moment she waited she was being further victimized, further harassed, and further threatened. Sexual harassment is considered sufficiently threatening behavior for self-defense to be justified, and that’s how the police are handling it.
She could have gone to her parents, a counselor or a trusted adult to help her manage her emotions
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Managing emotions can’t be done through external acts, it is an internal act
Pick a lane.