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Your comparing a high density downtown with very little activity to suburban rush hour. You don’t want a tram, you want more commuter rail.

lol no, that’s how it works in canada and it’s shit.
This is precisely the place where light rail makes sense: it’s most of the benefits of heavy rail but way cheaper, so you can build more of it and run more vehicles, and operate like a metro in the suburbs but as a tram in the downtown.

Basically what you want is Portland but with 10x as many lines.

I didn’t realize Portland had added so many light rail lines, that’s cool for them. However the longest one is like 10 miles. The next city down the coast has highways that look like the picture for about 60 miles. Ironically they do actually have a train but system-to-system links in the sf bay area are terrible and nobody seems to use the train. It obviously will vary person to person but every time I personally checked it’s still faster and cheaper to drive through miserable traffic than take the train.