Daniel GibsonDec 19

I don't think I'll stop using Firefox anytime soon.
Yes, their management are fucking idiots and it's annoying that I'll have to disable new AI features whenever they release them..

But the alternative is to use something Chromium-based, which would make Google's domination of web technology absolute - and Google is 100x more evil than Mozilla ever could be.

I hope this fucking bubble pops before Mozilla fucks up Firefox so badly that it becomes completely unusable

Show threadDaniel GibsonDec 19
(yes, there are also the soft-forks of Firefox, but I don't think I'd gain much from them - security updates probably arrive a bit later, and apparently AI features still reach their users before they get around to disabling them)
Show threadCassandrich

@Doomed_Daniel If Mozilla gets worse, those will quickly get better. Until then your approach is completely reasonable.

I would recommend tho making sure automatic updates are blocked so you have the chance to prepare for any new malicious functionality before it's turned on without your knowledge.

Dec 20 at 1:48pmWeb
Show threadDaniel GibsonDec 20
@dalias
yeah, I'm using package managers that respect my choices (i.e. on Ubuntu I've installed it with apt instead of snap, on my Arch Linux machine I didn't have to do anything)
Show threadCassandrichDec 20
@Doomed_Daniel That's the best. If you're getting Firefox from a trusted Linux distro rather than as shipped by Mozilla, the threat from Mozilla is very low. ❤️ distros. They are so underappreciated.
Show threadity [unit X-69] - VIOLENT FUCKDec 20

@dalias @Doomed_Daniel technically speaking packaging Firefox that way is against the Firefox license lol

Mozilla tried to sue Debian over it ages ago, that's how we got Iceweasel, then they realized it's stupid and Iceweasel got abandoned, but the license was never changed and they can always do a stupid

Show threadDaniel GibsonDec 20
@ity @dalias
I think their issue with debian's Firefox before Iceweasel was that debian patched it (too much?). Just packaging Firefox obviously is no problem, otherwise there wouldn't be packages in all distros.
And I don't think mozilla can sue me for not updating my installation of the packages soon enough :-p
Show threadity [unit X-69] - VIOLENT FUCKDec 21
@Doomed_Daniel @dalias packaging Firefox is still against the license (to be exact, the trademark license). Mozilla just isn't dumb enough to enforce it.
Show threadCassandrichDec 21
@ity @Doomed_Daniel Funny thing about trademarks you don't enforce... 😈
Show threadity [unit X-69] - VIOLENT FUCKDec 21
@dalias @Doomed_Daniel hopefully  it'd be extremely funny if that were to happen, ngl
Show threadLaurent BercotDec 20
@dalias a lot of them are not appreciated for a reason.
Show threadCassandrichDec 20
@ska Most of the major ones except Ubuntu are at least decent, no?
Show threadLaurent BercotDec 20
@dalias Most of them abdicated their job of defining a unified policy as soon as systemd showed them that they could just follow what was pushed by upstream and turn off their critical thinking.