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Conveniently, that bus stop also punishes anyone else who makes the mistake of waiting for a bus there.
Ugh, I just want a bench.
At this point they’re getting rid of the shelters entirely. I’d settle for not having to wait for a bus while standing in the rain
JoeBigelowBut a homeless person might suffer a little bit less if they aren’t wet
Let’s just skip to the end, plant a spiked sign that says “He who enters here, abandon all hope”, and just run pipes under the sidewalks to make them 80 degrees celsius. Make it look like Mordor, fuck everyone…rich and poor.
But then the poor won’t freeze to death… Can we fit liquid nitrogen in the budget instead?
No, I want the fire and brimstone again.
Also, if this person wants to take advantage of a homeless shelter they better not be a cigarette smoker or drug addict. Also be prepared to be pat down every time you leave or return the shelter for an hour window. Unless you’re working, then you can leave, you just better not have any deviation from your scheduled times or you’ll be put back out onto the street.
kittenzrulz123The bus also only arrives once every hour (inconsistently)
Swedneckwoah now, are we talking about central manhattan or something?
Best we can do is a bus that takes you downtown a couple times in the morning and gets you back home in the afternoon. Because as we all know people only need buses to get to and from work, and no one works non-standard times.
Best we can do is a bus that takes you downtown a couple times in the morning and gets you back home in the afternoon. Because as we all know people only need buses to get to and from work, and no one works non-standard times.
That’s why I said inconsistently, the midday busses might not show up or they might who knows, of course late night you can forget about it
Hostile architecture. When you only want to fight the symptoms, not the cause.
My county paid money to put up signs at intersections specifically telling people not to give money to the homeless
🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 My city has a few of those, but specifically in places where the structure of the intersection has an island somehwre right in the middle of traffic, and people were being hit by cars frequently. Go pan handle somewhwre you’re not likely to be run over.
But the disdain extends to the elderly and pregnant women when it comes to our bus stops. They don’t have seats at all anymore. They even ripped out the seats that used to exist.
That’s what they get for actively contributing fresh meat to that sick society.
Again, fighting the symptoms and not the cause. Cause, god forbid, we have pedestrian friendly infrastructure.
Pedestrians getting hit by cars is not the fault of the pedestrian. It is the result of inconsiderate drivers not paying attention with their two ton death machines and infrastructure designed to cater to drivers at the expense of being hostile to pedestrians
We’re not talking about pedestrians on planned intersections. We’re talking about not encouraging people to run onto an active highway. It’s rather hard to design a system for pedestrian safety and for drivers to avoid accidents when people break all the rules.
I feel like you lost track of the discussion
It was about pan handlers in an intersection. A highway makes no sense for pan handling because no one is going to stop on a highway to give money
In my city, there are large (8 lane) main arterial roads with fairly high speeds (80km/h) that have traffic light intersections and cross walks. The crosswalks work well with sidewalk islands, protective barriers, plenty of space, and provide lots of time for pedestrians to cross the rather large expanse. But when panhandlers set up on those sidewalk islands and then walk around traffic it can get very dangerous. I’ve see some close calls when people head back to their island bases after the cars have started. Unfortunately drugs play a role in this too.
There’s this intersection in Milwaukee where there’s a painting of a homeless looking immigrant holding a cardboard sign that says don’t give money to homeless people.
Same. They were all over the place when I lived in the city. I made a habit of taking a can of spray on my walls and tagging them.
You should vandalize those, unironically
What’s it with these railway based China propaganda posts?
Yes the US sucks.
Yes you can get a lot done in a totalitarian system.
Yes China also sucks.
Other democratic countries all manage to have perfectly fine rail systems, it’s not solely the domain of totalitarian governments- just functioning governments.
Much like healthcare, it’s literally just the US government that fucks it up.
SkunkWorkzYeah but China’s authoritarian system is how they went from no high speed rail to the most high speed rail in the world in just 25 years. It took Japan 70 years to get where they are now and many European nations more than a hundred.
Maybe also having the largest population in the world had something to do with it. They have way more people to do the work. They also have way more money than Japan to do the work.
And that’s not even considering how they have a lot more land to work with. Easier to put high speed rail through some farmland than to redevelop several urban blocks to creat rail infrastructure.
Well, the perk of being an authoritarian regime is that you don’t really have to put the high speed rail on farmland. Urban blocks are fine too if it’s a better path.
Where’s that picture of the one house in the middle of a highway because the owner wouldn’t sell/move?
Don’t know if you read my comment very well. Regardless of the state’s authority it’s still way easier to develop land that’s not densely populated versus that which is.
Japan is significantly more densely populated
They also have a very good motivation to build the infrastructure, this is a general phenomenon i tend to refer to as the “big city effect”.
When you have that many people and that much population density it becomes incredibly difficult for governments to sit on their hands, because it’s obvious to everyone that new infrastructure is needed.
Which makes the US look so much worse. By all means the big cities in america should be decent places to live purely by dint of population, but the government has spent decades trying as hard as it can to make things as shitty as possible.
Australia is roughly what i’d expect america to look like without an active conspiracy to make it shitty: Largely empty, the cities are far apart and very suburban, but the cities have local downtowns spread throughout and it’s all connected with trains or at least buses.
BlackmistSure, it’s much easier when you can just take all the land and built right over anything in your way.
CommunistAll Western countries can do this too, they just only do it for motorways to subsidize the fossil fuel and car industries instead of something which would actually be good for people.
MrMakabarI live in Europe and regularly use rail transport here and love it… But even here we barely maintain what we have, almost never build more, and certainly build far more news roading projects than rail ones.
In Germany for example there were 19km of Autobahn and 56.5km of high speed rail line added in the last five years. Rail is an alternative to large roads. So freeways like the Autobahn network is similar to high speed rail, larger local roads with regional rail and four lane or more roads inside cities are tram or metro lines. However for local roads the alternative is cycling and walking paths and even there you probably want some limited access for things like ambulances, trucks(stores or moving large things), firetrucks and so forth. So everybody is building a lot more roads then rail.
Hetare KingYou mean the places that did the actual research and development on how to effectively build (high speed) trains and rail networks took longer to get where they are than the place that could just use already well-established technology? No way!
Don’t get me wrong, there can absolutely be political barriers to having a good rail network (as evidenced by the US), but let’s not pretend you’re comparing apples to apples here.
For those who want to go the “well Europe/Japan/Korea/China/etc had the advantage of being bombed flat in various wars which made rebuilding for rail easier”, we STILL have plenty of unused, unmaintained rail in the US. We could do this. Hell, you wanna solve unemployment numbers going up? Public works to rehab the right-of-ways that the big companies aren’t using, rehab the rails they ARE using, and suddenly we can AT LEAST enable 100mph trains across the country in less than a decade, and probably bring back passenger rail if we wanted to invest in more rolling stock.
Of course, this means we’d have to lift the steel tariff. And rehab steel mills. And also nationalize good portions of the railway (I’d suggest the entire rail network, and lease usage to the freight companies).
A really sad fact is that rail lines used to connect even the most rural of communities. Many cities removed rail lines to put in roadways.
You can still find rails to a lot of farms in Idaho because that’s how produce used to be shipped.
The big rail companies are a major reason rail sucks in the US. They were given the land for their lines nearly for free with the promise they’d provide public transit. Well, they stopped that. So the US created Amtrak to relieve them of the obligation of public transit with the promise that Amtrak trains would get priority. Well they constantly break that law which makes Amtrak suck with constant delays.
Heck, these companies are at least supposed to be in charge of maintaining the lines, and they don’t do that either. The US has a crazy number of derailments and a big reason for some of them is that the tracks receive little maintenance.
These are still multi billion dollar companies and they do what all giant companies do and nickel/dime everything.
It’s actually worse than that- amtrak was a reagan thing, which was meant to intentionally fail so they could give the passenger rail lines to big freight companies as well.
It was literally meant to fail so they could privatize it, but Amtrak pulled off a miracle. Amtrak is actually really, really good in places they can own their own rail- it’s why they’re really not allowed to build or own their own rail anymore.
Yes
Then why not use those democracies as examples but post basically the same post within 2 hours about china good?
I tell you why: Propaganda
TattorackNo, because it makes no difference here.
If I as a European come around and tell Americans how public transport, healthcare, and city planning are just better here, I get to hear the same crap about “propaganda”.
That, or I hear the all too often repeated “BuT thINgs aRe JuSt diFfeRENt HerE!”
Then let’s have examples from those EU countries, instead of an authoritarian state.
I see all these posts, and can’t help but think of the thousands of tankies constantly spamming exhausting propaganda on lemmy. There are so many great examples from democratic countries, so I’m suspicious if someone picks China.
I live in the EU, and currently standing in a bus stop. I’m all for public transport, fuck cars. But fuck China, too.
You don’t have to be authoritarian to accomplish these things. Even the US built some truly amazing infrastructure very quickly following WW2. They just chose to make it all car based. It was impressive from an engineering perspective, but not very smart
All governments are authoritarian its just China is controlled by the working class in service of the working class so better trains get built.
lol
If you’d like to challenge your bias (which I’d recommend) here’s an overview on the PRC and an article that highlights their whole-process democracy.
Holy shit dude. Your patronizing tone is sooooo hot. You just might convince me to hop off this Trotsky dick.
And your first comment wasn’t patronizing? Trotsky dick can’t be that good, just ask Frida.
But china is bad and so is the US. I know lemmy is tanks as fuck but let’s not treat China the same way Republicans treat the us.
I agree with you that the US is bad (and going further the entire imperial core), but why do you think China is bad?
Because we are allowed to say how much our country sucks and china has far more human rights violations.
You say the US is also bad yet you reiterate the state & media’s talking points and propaganda. You’re doing the CIA’s work for free.
allowed to say how much our country sucks
Since the PRC has whole process democracy people are able to criticize the government and policies in a way that can lead to a better progression of socialism. The framework is democratic centralism, or “freedom of discussion, unity of action.” Now criticisms from reactionaries, capitalists, or foreign influences by the CIA, need to be suppressed since they don’t benefit society or improve human development. The PRC does have surveillance, but it mostly aimed at keeping businesses/capital and forces that wish to destabilize it from inside or out checked, here’s an intro to the Social Credit System. Also fun fact the population of China actually has a higher perception of democracy:
far more human rights violations
The PRC is busy building actual democracy as stated above, lifting 700+ million people out of poverty, and helping rebuild and develop the Global South, is far ahead in having social rights with free (or way cheaper) healthcare, education, and housing all while leading the world in renewable energy. The imperial core is busy causing endless wars, looting raw materials and resources from “undeveloped” countries, killing millions, bombing countries to hell, sponsoring an actual genocide and apartheid in Palestine, has the largest incarnation and homelessness percentages in the world, drives people into poverty as material conditions get worse, and has the most expensive and backwards healthcare system all while censoring and attacking those who speak against them all in the name of profit.
Is China perfect, no, but it is leagues above any country you perceive as a beacon of “freedom.”
Building Whole-Process People's Democracy in China
For Building the Future, a research collection on contemporary socialist construction, Paweł Wargan and Jason Hickel look at the concept of “whole-process people’s democracy” in China, a complex system of political participation and grassroots governance that is a mainstay of the process of Chinese modernisation.
China is to lemmy as as Isreal is to reddit
So I showed you why your earlier claims are wrong with sources & facts and you ignore all of that by responding with another nonsense statement
It’s half truths and ignoring your counties crimes.
I’m from the US and I definitely don’t ignore it’s crimes.