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rockerfacešŗš¦The American experiment has succeeded, because the suffering is the point and the system is working as intended.
InsekticusExactly. The wealthy are living beyond reality now and have adapted the population to working for pittance, living in squalor, and are above the law.
America is the nicest 3rd world country anywhere in the world! America #1
Itās weird to see this kind of comment and also a Ukrainian flag in the username.
Itās weird to see this kind of hypocrisy and alsoā¦ no, wait, itās the same username who thinks adult women canāt have small breasts. Kindly fuck off.
I have never made any such claims.
Itās a nation of individual freedom taken to the extreme. That includes the freedom for wealthy individuals to exploit everybody else. And Anon is on the side of the exploited. Anon does seem as a person that will always argue for complete freedom, so finally maintaining the exploitation of themselves and the situation they find themselves in.
HanrahanItās a nation of individual freedom taken to the extreme.
It is ?.Have you not lived with a HOA ?
Thats exactly the point they were making.
The HOA is not a government body its a group of unregulated individuals who claim damages against you and eventually take your home away as per a contract between individuals.
UltraGiGaGiganticWhy am I not free to ingest what drugs I want if we are so free?
Usually because a group beneficial to rich folks didnāt like it.
Drugs makes the chattel lazy. Canāt have that. It might hurt GDP.
Nixon wanted to legally bash up hippies and black people.
If youāre rich you can.
I mean, I donāt want to say that the american system is perfect - or even good. But anon is really missing out on some significant and obvious financial options, and really this is due to the defeatist, doomer attitude they express in their last few sentences. They are effectively resigning themselves to the life of poverty they envision because they donāt want to consider that there might be things within their control to inprove their situation.
Are you going to share the knowledge with the class or keep it to yourself?
The problem with saying obvious things to people with doomer attitudes is that they dismiss them out of hand as soon as they hear them. Literally any suggestion that is made is ādumbā or āimpossibleā or ends up being more evidence that the system is out to hurt and oppress them specifically.
And of course, whether you think you can or you think you canāt, youāre right - or at least the latter part is true.
Overcoming any doomer mindset and beginning to work on your problems starts with admitting that maybe things arenāt quite as bleak as you think they are, and allowing yourself to believe that a better life is possible. Without that, no advice -regardless of content - will help
This is literally why no therapist will ever say āokay, so hereās what you need to do to solve your fucked up problems.ā Their patients need to come to the answers themselves to accept and take action on them.
This is not controversial. It is literally standard practice among mental health professionals.
Youāre not even talking to the 4chan directly (probably), this is a comment thread on a different site.
Right, but the reason it was posted here is to garner sympathy for this sort of doomer attitude, and I see this sort of attitude on Lemmy quite frequently. Itās the attitude of all the people downvoting me. So I figured Iād address the issue directly
Nah, im downvoting youcause you are not providing a lot of value to the conversation and keep dancing around with statements meant to look down on others.
Basically im downvoting you cause i dont really care to watch you metaphorically masturbate to your own intelligence as a conversation style.
Iām not dancing around. Iām getting to the actual problem (a lack of belief that things could be better), rather than dancing around it (presenting some object-level suggestions that the doomers will inevitably shoot down, since they arenāt addressing the actual problem - believing things could be better).
People are downvoting you because you claim that they could do better but refuse to explain how. Itās hard to not take it as bullshit when you donāt substantiate your claim, and why wouldnāt people downvote bullshit in thread like this?
Anyone who isnāt doom-brained could read OOP and come up with some ideas for what they would do in that situation in approximately 5 seconds. Others in this thread have already come up with some excellent ideas.
But having dealt with this mindset in myself and others in the past, and seeing it play out n times on Lemmy, I could already predict the pattern, which you can see playing out again in the other comments which have provided object-level solitions - naysayers come along and start listing every reason under the sun for why that particular idea couldnāt possibly work. And also it sucks. And also if you do it youāre a bad person.
Iāll put it plainly - the solution is to start thinking of solutions. Your own solutions. They are the only ones youāll ever actually believe.
You still have not disclosed the quote āserious financial optionsā, and as an autistic person who is not able to deduce conclusions based on breadcrumbs all youāre doing to me is withholding information. So, congratulations I guess. You made your point while filtering the disabled.
Don't be too hard on yourself, I'm not autistic and I also don't get the point he's trying to make. Probably something like "get a better job", "leave to somewhere where things are better", "go live with your friends/parents/whatever".
Usually these people take it as an article of faith that thereās something you could do to unfuck your situation, without necessarily having any idea what that something is. I think heās just fundamentally speaking abstractly.
They are literally in the other response saying they dont really have any real suggestiins but are sure that if they were in that situation that they woukd come up with something cause they are soooo clever. Like it purposely lacks empathetic insight or any awareness of luck and situational start points.
Its really just fluff to boost their ego and keep a negative view on others. It just isnt conversational, its the same as chest pumping but with fancy sounds.
I, of course, have my own ideas about what I would do in OPās shoes. But I donāt claim that these are the ārightā answers, and I donāt think these are the answers you āshouldā give. Literally all Iām saying is that OOP has options, and his biggest problem is that he refuses to believe they exist. So if you are in a similar situation to OOP, or empathize with him and want to know what advice would improve his situation, what I am saying is that you should start by opening up to the possibility that OP improving his life is under his control, and then just start thinking of ways that he could. And sure, some of these ideas you come up with will be dumb, or wrong. Some will seem like great ideas but will fall apart during implementation. And thatās all fine. There are no bad ideas, even if they donāt work, because the process of creating these ideas in the first place is the most important part of the process.
Anon needs to find full time employment and get a roommate.
And vote blue
i know people making 150K a year, who complain they are broke.
and they often actively refuse any suggestion of cutting their spending, getting a roommate, etc.
itās hilarious. and they go on and go on just like OP about how itās the governmentās fault
Brave Little Hitachi WandI donāt see what serious then from having a second shitty job? At 25 hours a week theyāve definitely got free time.
Dont quote me on this but having a 2nd job would disqualify them from Medicare, which appears to be their only form of health insurance.
That makes sense - for a given value of sense. American health care is just evil.
Iāll second strayās opinion, but also add on that youāre typically fighting for a job in those shitty areas. Anon is likely incredibly lucky to have gotten the above average wage job, and will still be in a big competition with others for the average wage jobs.
I get that. I do feel that with 15 extra hours per week, I could figure out some kind of side hustle. Even if all I did was sell random crappy art for cheap, itād keep me saner than if I spent that time on 4chan
ComradeSharkfuckerAh yes, poverty is the individuals fault and if impoverished people were just better with money theyād be fine
And this is why some people are voluntarily living in their cars, you canāt save for shit when rent eats 2/3 of your paycheck
āVoluntarilyā
For many, they get the air quotes
sp3ctr4lWhich seems like a decent plan, untill your house breaks down in the middle of nowhere, or your apartment gets impounded while youāre at work, and then auctioned off after the mail notice they sent to your last physical address was not responded to in time.
Its basically not legal, anywhere in the US, right now, to live in a car and park it almost anywhere.
You have to be hypervigilant, to survive this way, and ā¦ that just is PTSD, itāll make you worse at your job, more likely to lose it.
So weāre basically just making a permanent, sub-proletariat class, thats just gonna get funneled into jail or some kind of concentration camp, probably just turned into some kind of functional, if not formal slave class, whether by debt or criminal conviction or bothā¦ within, I dunno, 5 years or less?
I wish we lived in a society where the common belief was that a rising tide lifts all ships, instead of this pull yourself up by your bootstraps rugged individualism nonsense.
Funny thing about that one, the original meaning of that bootstrap idiom was to mean basically impossible, and yet itās used about as unironically as trickle down economics was
I donāt think Iāve heard the bootstrap phrase unironically in the past decade. I truly donāt remember even hearing it outside of contexts like this on reddit or similar.
itās mostly a boogeyman.
who is coming to help you? or anyone?
until then all you can do is help yourself.
and if you refuse to do thatā¦ well you get what you get.
What does Obamacare have to do with working 25hrs a week max?
Also curious about that. Why not work longer hours and be less whimsical?
I commented above, but in the US some employers will refuse to give you more hours to keep you as a part time employee, since full time employees are guaranteed certain benefits. Those benefits include access to healthcare. They would rather hire 2 people part time than 1 person full time. This is not Obamacareās fault, but for some reason people in the middle of nowhere who make very little money have convinced themselves that itās Obama whoās to blame instead of the shitty companies and their shitty owners.
Interesting! In summary:
Anon brags with above-average hourly wage. In the meantime, their employer will not let them work more to dodge paying social security.
Anon proceeds to cry that they donāt earn enough money, even though theyāre payed above-average.
Anonās a moron.
GarboDogWe were paid 19/h doing barista work working 30-39 hours (never allowed to hit 40 because they would have to give us more rights blah blah stuff) had to live in a tiny illegal room for rent and was barely surviving. After we saved up a little bit of money we moved into a van and now weāre in EU.
Mind you, not flashily, not rich, not even making it. Had to get so much help friends and family and especially our significant other just to get here by the skin of our teeth and now that weāre here weāre struggling to even stay due to visa issues. So fucn scared to go back we literally cry almost nightly every day our last chance to stay here slips away only because we just need 1500ā¬ euro moreā¦ hhh when will this stress end?
Damn, that sounds rough, sorry to hear - hang in there ā¤ļø
I would also like to add, that itās sometimes almost impossible to have a 2nd part time job because one or both are not regular schedules. People wonāt know when they are working until the week before. If both jobs do this you will end up with scheduling conflicts.
Like it would be better if you were scheduled the same 3 or 4 days a week and had the rest of the week off.
At least then you could either chill or find other activities. But they want you at their mercy and constantly in crisis.
Like you said, All Obamacare did from a company standpoint was make people no longer reliant on their employer for healthcare. So it has no bearing on 25 hr work weeks. Although with subsidies going away, a lot of people are becoming uninsured again.
FMLA was 1993, so Clinton Required lunch breaks, etc are state laws, so not Obama OT pay and some other federal protections were pre-WW2