Joshua Graves@cyberlyra @GrapheneOS @fabio echoing the building everyone up part, those gorillas will tear us apart if given half a chance.
GrapheneOS@joshua @cyberlyra @fabio Jolla is a for-profit company misleading people about what they providing. Their OS has extraordinarily poor privacy and security compared to the Android Open Source Project or iOS. Their own OS code is mostly closed source and there isn't an open source subset that's usable. Jolla has spent years falsely claiming the Android Open Source Project isn't Linux and misleading people into believing a largely closed source distribution is more open than an open source one.
@joshua @cyberlyra @fabio They've mislead people about privacy and security to an extreme, convincing people that a device lacking a proper sandbox, permission model, exploit protections, widespread use of memory safe language and many modern security features is more private and secure. They have their own invasive services too.
Informing people about the reality of their products is our response to years of misinformation about the GrapheneOS project from their team and community.
Kristoffer Lawson@GrapheneOS @joshua @cyberlyra @fabio huh, you're being pretty bloody aggressive. What exactly is your major beef?
Jolla is a for-profit company. I would expect most companies to be for-profit so as to continue operating. When has Jolla stated AOSP isn't Linux?
The OS has sandboxing and a permission model. What invasive services?
Personally I'm most interested in whether an OS can offer a beneficial experience. Given your tact against a small company, I would now rate you lower.
@Setok @joshua @cyberlyra @fabio
> aggressive
We're responding with factual information a thread with misinformation about GrapheneOS promoting an unsafe product as a better long term alternative.
> for-profit so as to continue operating.
Organizations don't need to be run primarily based on earning profits for shareholders to continue operating. An operating doing that is not putting their users first.
> When has Jolla stated AOSP isn't Linux?
It's a core part of their marketing.
John Mierau@GrapheneOS @Setok @joshua @cyberlyra @fabio graphene account posters please hear me: I am one of your full-throated fans... But why the HECK are you coming out of the gate all aggro?
I agree with many of your points, but have we not sent how fast attitude and arrogance can scare people off?
C'mon let's start out civil OK?
@john @Setok @joshua @cyberlyra @fabio There's nothing civil about the personal attacks being made towards our team by multiple people in this thread participating in Kiwi Farms harassment claiming one of us is insane, delusional, paranoid and more. That's ongoing on the SailfishOS forum which is linking here where people are referencing harassment content.
Jolla should do something about their forum being used to direct hate towards us with false claims and personal attacks towards our team.
@GrapheneOS @Setok @joshua @cyberlyra @fabio did any of he people in this thread do those things?
Post a link here if they did, I want to know!
If not, don't alienate more folks OK?
@john @Setok @joshua @cyberlyra @fabio
> did any of he people in this thread do those things?
Yes, our statements have been repeatedly misrepresented and lied about here. Our team has repeatedly been personally attacked, including references to ongoing harassment. Here's the SailfishOS forum thread directing people here:
There are multiple posts there making personal attacks with libel/bullying using one of our real names and referencing harassment content.
Sailfish OS: Clarifying claims about open/closed source, security and privacy
Actually Jolla say that “Sailfish OS is partially open source, but not fully open source in the sense of “every part of the OS is free/open-source.” After digging deeper and discussing I found GrapheneOS comments: Jolla is a for-profit company misleading people about what they providing. Their OS has extraordinarily poor privacy and security compared to the Android Open Source Project or iOS. Their own OS code is mostly closed source and there isn’t an open source subset that’s usable. Jolla ...