GrapheneOSJolla has spent years disparaging projects based on the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) for marketing. SailfishOS has a largely closed source user interface and application layer with no equivalent to the open source AOSP. It's far less private and secure than AOSP or iOS too.
Jolla recently launched a new product so their supporters are understandably trying to promote it. As part of that, they've been posting about it in replies to posts about GrapheneOS. We've replied to some of it with our perspective within threads originally about GrapheneOS.
Since we dared to post accurate information in threads about GrapheneOS where they mentioned us in replies to promote it, their forum is being used as a place to attack GrapheneOS including libelous attacks towards our team referencing harassment content:
Sailfish OS: Clarifying claims about open/closed source, security and privacy
Actually Jolla say that “Sailfish OS is partially open source, but not fully open source in the sense of “every part of the OS is free/open-source.” After digging deeper and discussing I found GrapheneOS comments: Jolla is a for-profit company misleading people about what they providing. Their OS has extraordinarily poor privacy and security compared to the Android Open Source Project or iOS. Their own OS code is mostly closed source and there isn’t an open source subset that’s usable. Jolla ...
Several of their supporters are taking the usual approach of calling us crazy and delusional while referencing harassment content at the same time as calling the factual info we posted aggressive. They're brigading discussions about GrapheneOS with attacks so we made this thread.
schuelermineI think that it’s important to recognise that simply stating facts that show something to be subpar directly is perceived as very aggressive and rude. While this is certainly something one could lament, it does mean that the reactions I see in this forum (though I admit I didn’t scroll through the entire thread, only about half of it) are to be expected and even reasonable in the right informational environment. I think if your approach is to bluntly state the facts, then it might be a good idea also to never attack these comments based on whether they misperceive you as aggressive. I didn’t see any outright harassment in that thread, but if there was any, that’s not what I’m talking about. The fact is simply that what you did was aggressive, to them. Simply stating facts in the way you do on social media is perceived as aggressive.
@anselmschueler There's libel and harassment towards our team in that thread including references to Kiwi Farms harassment content. One of the people in the Mastodon thread was claiming we're delusional and live in an imaginary world after spinning what we said into things we didn't say. In the thread on their forum where their people were directed towards us from, multiple people make personal attacks on the GrapheneOS founder which explicitly reference false claims in harassment content.
@anselmschueler This started with claims being made about AOSP and the GrapheneOS project which are not accurate along with promotion of SailfishOS not mentioning that it's a massive privacy and security downgrade from AOSP not only the much more private and secure GrapheneOS along with the fact that it's NOT open source. When people are making many attacks on us they should be able to tolerate us replying with verifiable facts defending ourselves and criticizing what they're promoting.
@GrapheneOS The truth of these claims about SailfishOS is not very relevant to the discussion I tried to have, which was whether these feelings are to be expected. The people making the attacks are different people from the people who I am defending. When I read the thread, I saw posts like this, which express opinions that are misguided, but entirely to be expected given your social media strategy, and unworthy of moral condemnation.
> However they’ve always been relatively dodgy; I remember Daniel Micay (was that his name? the lead developer guy until a few years ago) was caught blackmailing Louis Rossmann. Daniel, in the process of trying to dismiss valid criticism, decided it was a good move to demolish his own reputation.
This is a reference to extraordinarily dishonest character assassination content from a Kiwi Farms user (https://kiwifarms.st/members/larossmann.132201/) who started their harassment towards us.
@anselmschueler Do you condemn the ongoing libel and harassment from Kiwi Farms including Louis Rossmann? Do you condemn the libel and harassment by Henry Fisher?
Jolla is responsible for permitting libel and harassment content on their forum along with it being used to organize attacks on GrapheneOS. We have every right to document that and continue to respond to it. If you want to talk about aggressive and toxic, why are you overlooking the actual personal harassment they're engaging in?