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HDMI Forum is unwilling to disclose the 2.1 specification for open-source (Linux): according to AMD, they had submitted a functional, HDMI 2.1-compatible driver [for linux?], which the Forum rejected.

https://lemmy.ml/post/40103862

HDMI Forum is unwilling to disclose the 2.1 specification for open-source (Linux): according to AMD, they had submitted a functional, HDMI 2.1-compatible driver [for linux?], which the Forum rejected. - Lemmy

I do not really have a body for this. I was not aware that this is a thing and still feel like this is bs, but maybe there is an actual explanation for HDMI Forum’s decision that I am missing.

HelloRoot Dec 9

but maybe there is an actual explanation for HDMI Forum’s decision that I am missing.

Licensing money.

CerebralHawks Dec 9

Which could be paid by Valve in this case, especially since no one is expecting the Steam Box thing to be cheap.

actionjbone Dec 9

If the license holder isn’t willing to accept the money, it doesn’t matter if Valve is willing to pay it.

RustySharp Dec 10

Everyone has a price. Maybe a superyacht or two from Gabe’s fleet?

actionjbone Dec 10

It’s not about liquid money. It’s about “preventing piracy” by blocking anything that could allow people to use certain features via FOSS systems.

RustySharp Dec 10

I was thinking more along the lines of, "let people pirate. Here’s a megayacht’.

Goodlucksil Dec 10

Well, Android TVs can be “hacked” and those have HDMIs. Not a good point

actionjbone Dec 10

Tell me you don’t understand software development without telling me you don’t understand software development.

dohpaz42 Dec 10

This wouldn’t work to scale. If Valve paid to license the spec for the Linux kernel, it would have to pay for every person who downloaded the driver, which is far more than the amount of people who buy the Steam Cube.

Unless of course you’re suggesting that the kernel driver for the new spec become closed source.

legion02 Dec 10

OK. Fine. Then it’s going to be reverse engineered and everyone will use it anyways and they’ll get nothing.

It’s not, people will just convert DP to HDMI and call it a day

CerebralHawks Dec 10

Unfortunately, I am — or rather, I am suggesting that Valve be granted a license they can use.

I like open source, but not so much that I’d prefer hardware that already exists be held back a feature because others can’t benefit for free.

I’d prefer a workaround.

HelloRoot Dec 10

If it ever gets open sourced, anybody will just use it without paying.

The license holder is attaching additional terms and conditions that are incompatible with publicly disclosing the driver source code.

It still boggles my mind things can be licensed/copyrighted without being forced to disclose source code. The lack of transparency we’re okay with in society is absolutely unsustainable.

Stallman is not a great person but he saw this coming decades ago

oscardejarjayes [comrade/them]Dec 10

Maybe we can get it when they come out with 2.2 or whatever, then

DonutsRMeh Dec 9

That’s why HDMI needs to die and display port needs to take over. The TV industry is too big for that to happen of course. They make a shit ton of money off of HDMI

I really hope we’ll see TVs with DisplayPort one day.

HyperfocusSurfer Dec 9

Why even buy 'em, tho? They’re basically shitty monitors with spyware for brains.

Are there a lot of 65" PC monitors?

PriorityMotif Dec 10

Technically those menu boards at restaurants.

Alienware once sold a 55" 120Hz OLED monitor.

Alienware AW5520QF 55-Inch OLED Gaming Monitor Review

Alienware toes the line between TV and monitor.

Tom's Guide

Eager Eagle Dec 10

about the same specs as my TV, but 10" less and 4x its price

It looks to be $1200 on Amazon. Decent for OLED.

I got my 42 inch lgc2 for $990 a few years ago.

Kazumara Dec 10

Not that many it seems… Ignoring extremely pricey ones, I could find the Lenovo ThinkVision E65 LFD for what converts to 1200 USD in a local shop. And even that is not really price competitive.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble Dec 10

Well if you want anything over 35 inches a TV is your only option. They don’t really make monitors bigger than that.

Dudewitbow Dec 10

well its not the only option, its the only consumer ended option.

the corporate option is large format display/digital signage screens

accideath Dec 10

If you actually give a fuck about image quality beyond size and brightness, digital signage also isn’t really an option. You won’t find many commercial oled displays, for example.
Best option for home entertainment, imo, is still a consumer TV, that you just never connect to the internet and use a set top box with, instead.

DFX4509B Dec 10

Assuming they don’t start using meshnet to spy on you anyways.

colournoun Dec 10

Up The (soldering) Irons!

Kevlar21 Dec 10

Don’t give them any ideas

DFX4509B Dec 10

That’s actually already a thing potentially, TV and even appliance makers have been fielding using meshnet tech to spy on users regardless of if they’re connected to the web or not for a while now.

SlurpingPus Dec 10

Too late, TVs have apparently been known to connect to open WiFi networks if they find any.

wolfinthewoods Dec 10

Fuck smart TVs, I have a 13" CRT that I’m happy with and doesn’t need a damn internet connection

Dudewitbow Dec 10

of course, I’m not suggesting anyone should use them. im just saying they exist. the companies that make the good screens are all part of the HDMI forum, which defeats the reason why display port wont be offered at these screen sizes effectively.

basically no comoany is going to deny using HDMI unlrss a new upcoming screen company either develops propietary displayport tech, or the VESA foundation spins up monitor production.

unironically the only company i can remotely see doing said action is apple.

SomeoneSomewhere Dec 10

It’s a ‘why not both’ thing.

thethunderwolf Dec 10

We need a good jailbreak for smart TVs and a TV-oriented Linux distro with Plasma Bigscreen to install on the jailbroken smart TVs

SomeoneSomewhere Dec 10

My experience is that digital signage displays are still HDMI-only.

Dudewitbow Dec 10

many are hdmi only, but there are several that have display port as well. I see a lot since I work in lease return/e-waste recycling.

Iheartcheese Dec 10

Because we don’t all live in dorm rooms sitting at desks watching TV. Some of us need something besides a 32-in.

Captain Aggravated Dec 10

I have enough back problems to remember a time when a 32 inch television WAS a big-screen. My family had a 35 inch Sony Trinitron that weighted as much as a motorcycle. You do not NEED a 50+ inch screen.

jacksilver Dec 10

I mean, you also had pretty low quality TV and home media, anything beyond 32 inches wasn’t doing much good for you.

Iheartcheese Dec 10

I’m 43. I remember those days as well. It was shit.

Captain Aggravated Dec 10

I’m 38, and I remember the last gasps of CRTs in the early 2000s more fondly than the colicky 10-year toddlerhood of digital flat panels that followed.

wolfinthewoods Dec 10

I’m 40 and my only TV is a 13" CRT that I’m rocking for movies and games

Sir_Kevin Dec 10

Projectors have improved dramatically over the years. Any white wall can easily become a 100+inch display that’s good enough for movies.

Just don’t connect it to the internet.

I think I’d like DisplayPort over a USB-C connector. It seems like this might be an easier sell too, since the general non-techy populace is already used to everything going to USB-C (thanks EU). Maybe one day we can actually just use the same cable for everything. I realize that not all USB-C cables are equal, but maybe if TVs used USB-C, we’d see more cables supporting power, data, and video.

My monitor (tv) supports usb c and I like it! The flexibility was nice during my single battle station move

IMALlama Dec 10

Display port over USB-C is totally a thing. With things like USB-PD USB seem to be getting dangerously close to becoming the standard for everything. The cables are a wreck though and are way too hard for a layperson to tell apart.

CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]Dec 10

I’m a very technical person and I can’t tell them apart.

Is there a symbol?

Chronographs Dec 10

It’s pretty simple and straightforward, all you have to so is buy the cable and a professional cable tester to see what specs it’s actually in compliance with

amorpheus Dec 10

These days a ~10€ gadget can tell you about the electricity going through a USB connection and what the cable is capable of. I don’t like the idea of basically requiring this to get that knowledge, but considering the limited space on the USB-C plugs I’m not sure anything is likely to improve about their labeling.

DrDystopia Dec 10

That’s good enough for me, what they called and wee where can I get one?

amorpheus Dec 10

An example I randomly picked:

www.amazon.de/…/B0DK5GGVLM

2-in-1 USB Tester Meter Current Meter Digital Multimeter Current Meter Power Meter Voltage Voltmeter Current Power Capacity Detector : Amazon.de: DIY & Tools

2-in-1 USB Tester Meter Current Meter Digital Multimeter Current Meter Power Meter Voltage Voltmeter Current Power Capacity Detector : Amazon.de: DIY & Tools

I have something like this myself, it’s useful for knowing the power delivery, but I’m not sure if that really helps when it comes to determining the speed of the data transmission that the cable is capable of, or other features like displayport support, or which version of USB4 it might be supporting (I believe they have the same power delivery, even though the transfer speed is double).

amorpheus Dec 10

Yeah, functionality between these varies, I know some of them can tell you what capabilities the cable’s chip spits out.

mic_check_one_two Dec 10

Don’t worry, I’m sure when USB 4 releases, they’ll retroactively change the names of USB 3.2 Gen 1 and USB 3.2 Gen 2 to “USB 4.3 Gen 0.01” and “USB 4.3 Gen 0.02” respectively. Then USB 4 will actually be named “USB 4.4 Gen 5” just because.

And none of the cables will be labeled, nor will they simultaneously support high power delivery and full data speed. We’ll need to wait for “USB 4.4 Gen 4” for that, which is when the old standard will get renamed to “USB 4.4 Gen 3.5” instead.

Anafabula Dec 10

“USB4” (not USB 4.0) released in 2019 and “USB4 Version 2.0” (not USB 4.1) released in 2022.