i’m enjoying their despair. yes more weeping, gnash them teeth
their takeaway is that, despite running a great campaign, with only 100 days to differentiate herself from biden it was simply impossible to make that case. except before the election, when they talked about how she might differentiate herself they said she should just say she’s different but not actually differ anywhere. which is exactly what she did. Imagine remembering what you said a month ago

“there's going to be a lot of takes already, like, you know, is door knocking and organizing useless and all this kind of, like, I do not regret at all. And we'll still look back fondly on the two days we spent in Arizona and Nevada just this last weekend, even though we are dealing with this horrific result today.

Because talking to all of you that have come out to these events, Pod Save America, everyone else who's volunteered, and like just being with people in person, talking about politics, getting energized, and then knocking on those doors, right?”

the friends we made along the fuckin way, right guys???

“on the UN piece, like the UN relies on the US for about a third of its budget. There's all these component parts to it that matter a lot to people like us.

We do half the funding for the World Food Program. They'll probably pull out of the Paris Climate Accords. UNRWA, which does all the humanitarian relief in Gaza and the surrounding areas for Palestinians, will probably get gutted again.”

excuse me but isn’t the US fully barred by statute from sending money to UNRWA? imagine how bad it could be under trump when we currently give $0. fuckin ghoulish

how do libs consistently say that a ceo has no agency over the actions of the company. that’s literally their whole deal.

“I’m gonna take the neoliberal, squishy, centrist position that murder is bad. also denying people lifesaving healthcare because they can’t afford it, bad.[…] hope all the murderers are caught and punished. also hope we pass more laws to make sure that everyone can get the healthcare they need without insurance company putting them through hell, which insurance companies frequently do.”

that’d be a hell of a platform, maybe someone should try to do that

jon lovett admits that he doesn’t know what kamala stands for, but that’s not even what i’m mad about this episode. lovett is very wrong about time zones. you cannot leave it up to states fuck off you’re so wrong
i honestly assumed just everyone hates matt yglesias so i was caught off guard when pod save was talking about his newsletter takes on this year’s jan 6th
jon lovett reads kissinger’s last book about ai, i listen to steve albini’s last single about baseball, we are not the same

tv: (regarding the seal super bowl commercial) “it made me a communist on the spot, that was it for capitalism”

welcome to the winning team tommy

i’m 10 minutes in and they’re talking about how it’s not fair that trump went to the superbowl when conservatives got mad that the Obamas went to a broadway show
i just listened to 5-4 talk about the breakdown of rule of law before our eyes and the jarring shift in tone to the pod save boys is really something. they’re now talking about people saying gulf of america is just a distraction. “distraction from what?” they seem to be missing the half dozen unconstitutional and impactful things that are happening before our eyes. libs are on a different planet
the pod save boys don’t seem to realize that a *lot* of cars are manufactured in canada, as well as a bunch of tier 2 suppliers. canada is deeply integrated into the us auto industry, and trump says he can move production back to detroit with the stroke of a pen (he can’t, i’ve seen what that sort of move looks like. wanna build a couple brand new factories in Detroit? it’ll take 5 years before the first car is off the line)
lovett had Leah Litman of Strict Scrutiny on, to talk about what would happen when the supreme court says some trump policies are unconstitutional. really a striking differentiation from 5-4 who clearly believe that the supreme court will act to further their own ideology rather than on the merits in cases like that
i specifically believe that the two forces pulling against one another are conservative justices desire to push forward their ideology, and those same justices desire to make sure that power remains in their hands. if trump challenges the SC they can quickly be rendered irrelevant, or they can render themselves irrelevant immediately by bending to trump from day 1. we probably only have a few months where an SC/executive fight would have republicans in congress support the SC enough to matter.

“I got some more data from echelon on this right before we recorded, […] Elon’s approval is uhh, 45/50. So he is under water”

you’re talking about the guy who hit a seig heil on national television. what the fuck is even going on in this country

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This is like one of those humiliation rituals the q folk always talk about, but from the right. Making the pod save boys do an ad read that sound dangerously close to the 14 words

“his administration thus far has the patina of competency and success that his first did not”

are you watching the same administration? none of his agencies have ever shown any competency this time around, and he staffed them with bottom of the barrel guys. his first admin was full of republicans who thought they could work with him who resigned later because he’s a petulant old man

susan rice, the former ambassador to the un for obama, called the president of el salvadore "trumps butt-boy" on pod save. sincerely what the fuck
pod save is doing an episode about biden’s cancer diagnosis. fascinating angles in this one
I don’t really think the white house covered up a cancer diagnosis, but if they did because grandpa didn’t wanna give up his car keys i’m gonna become the freakin joker
tommy endorsed some sort of reform that allows greater transparency into presidential candidate health. finally, let’s pass the stable genius act
i have said in the past that the worst pod save episodes are live recordings because they get a little too excited in front of a crowd but it gets worse. lovett and two gay republicans, sarah longwell and tim miller, did a show at worldpride and it is painful
this is a fucking psyop. they have michael fanone up there talking about his time undercover doing drug interdiction in gay bars. who let them do a pride event that is majority republican and also includes a cop as a guest.

“Like this is not exactly how history went, but imagine you're a 30 year old in this country, right?

In 2016, you supported Bernie Sanders. The entire establishment supported Hillary Clinton, including the people who worked at the DNC during the primary. In 2020, Bernie, you support Bernie Sanders again.

He is on the cusp of victory. Everyone else drops out and endorses Joe Biden. Everyone goes and vote.

They all go and vote for Joe Biden to get him elected. In part because they believe that Joe Biden will be a one-term president. They are begging someone else to run against them or for Joe Biden to step down.

He doesn't do that. And then here once again, they are inspired by a candidate and people from the Democratic establishment. If you live in New York and you want Brad Lander or someone else, that's fine.”

the pod save boys are mad about the dems lining up to support cuomo, and for once i agree

Oh we got Jen “What do you want us to do, mail everyone tests” Psaki on this episode
Mark Cuban: “You gotta do what Mr. Beast does”

Mark Cuban: “Now we're seeing all this AI video. Why aren't they creating just tons and tons and tons and tons? Of AI video that's all prompt generated.

This stuff makes us laugh, right? I mean, you see the gorilla with Downsy and all this stuff that's... You know what I'm talking about?”

Jon Favreau: “I don't know. Tell me.”

MC: “Oh, you don't? Okay. Because it...

Maybe it's because I look at my son's stuff sometimes, but there's just like... There's stuff that becomes ubiquitous on social media, and that... You've got to use it.”

jesse, what the fuck are you taking about?

oh no, googling that makes it appear that it might be the most dehumanizing ableism on the planet. i haven’t watched because tiktok loginwall but how is mark cuban watching this shit, what is wrong with you man?

“And there is this incredibly dangerous logic here that is just embodied in what Vance says, which is as the president of the United States, we have the authority to declare anyone or anything that we view as a threat to be a terrorist or terrorist organization. And also we, as the president of the United States, have the power to do anything we can to protect America from said terrorist or terrorist organization.”

This is news to you, Dan? You worked for the Obama administration and the same AUMF for the global war on terror is still in effect.

Pod Save had exactly the reaction i expected to kirk’s death. “But i’m a well known political commentator too”

“Maybe I am the naive one, maybe we are still huffing Obama hope fumes, but I do believe that the vast majority of the American people do not want where we are. They hate that we are this divided. And there are certainly political partisans and we are among them, who live in that divide.”

I largely agree that the average american wants a return to brunch, but average people are unable to see a path where organizing, running for office, and voting gets us out of this. And i’m afraid the pod save boys are the ones deluding themselves when we have military deployments in major american cities

The pod save boys are so upset about being called pod bros by the president and his ilk that they hired a woman onto the show. #diversityWin
pod save played a clip of shane gillis that i don’t think shane would have even considered a joke, just like observation. they seemed to think it was cutting humor or something

“Because Janet Mills, she may be a great candidate, but she is just a better version of the Sarah Gideon campaign in 2020.
It's the same thing. It's an establishment Democrat running has made. What if we had an anti-establishment, an outsider, someone with the appeal?”

the dems can’t run someone with appeal, that might be a good idea

Jen Psaki and Lis Smith starting going on about how Kamala got blindsided by republicans making hay on her response to that aclu survey that asked about gender care for inmates. Lis asked why ACLU would even ask the question and Jen advocated for just not answering these questionnaires.

I would like to point out that where Kamala went wrong wasn’t in saying it, it was that she wouldn’t defend her stance. It was settled con law that denying necessary medical care is cruel and unusual punishment. She balked instead and that’s where she fucked it up

ruben gallego thought he had some great idea telling biden to raise the federal milage rate as a way to garner working class political favor. you'd have to drive about 22,500 miles for work before you even take the itemized deduction so i really doubt this reaches the "hundreds of thousands or millions" of voters. it would be a bigger deal to a bunch of random white collar guys who get the reimbursement from work
it's a great story because it's simultaneously biden not pulling any of his available levers for political gain, but also just a dem being deeply out of touch at the same time

“So maybe this cycle of like, bankrupting American farmers and then paying them off will work again. My guess is ultimately these farmers would rather just like run a business and not deal with this shit, but...”

Clearly you’ve never met an american farmer

the pod save boys are deeply skeptical about ai’s bulbous nature but also think it’s really bad that trump is green lighting loosening chip export regs to china. So the ai is gonna crash and burn but it’s super dangerous to let china buy things from nvidia at the same time
ok, that was a little unfair to the pod save position. Lovett shortly after launched into “the ai is real and strong and it’s my friend” so they seem to just kinda believe everything about ai, good bad and indifferent
They announced a tour of Australia and New Zealand so if you want to surround yourself with the most insufferable people on your continent, go check out the live show among the australians with way too much interest in american politics

“It was really interesting talking to Pritzker because I do just, he has a, like a, and I said this to his face, like if you would have told me that this was like one of the richest human beings in America and the richest person in public office, like that would be surprising because that's not how he carries himself. He has a much more, I don't know, like just not what comes to mind. And it was an interesting conversation about how he does come from all this privilege, but that he was shaped by a lot of loss.”

oh fuck off lovett. i don’t give a shit that a billionaire lost his dad in childhood when it comes to electability. I haven’t listened to the interview so i won’t say that pritzker is wielding it this way. i think people who live this life usually manage to balance the personal experience better

“And that we're the party that can most easily, and because of our fundamental values as Democrats, address what I think is coming, which is a wave of unemployment as a result of artificial intelligence.”

Sorry Jay Bob Pritzker, i don’t know that what you think is coming is actually coming, nor do i think the Democrats should be trusted to navigate that scenario

they did a plug for buying your friend a “friends of the pod” subscription for christmas. if you are my enemy and want to do me harm i will accept a gifted subscription
they called maduro and his wife the “former first couple”, guys i think that’s awful quick personally
of course they are cheering on maduro’s extraordinary rendition because they are fully on board with US State Dept claims that the election was not won by Maduro
Lovett, of all people is unfamiliar with the term globohomo? shocking, he’s the one who i expected to know it most
why does the nba do the US national anthem at the start of a game in london? you should boo on principle

“Jesus Christ, when are these people gonna stand up and do something?”

right there with you tommy

he’s talking about european leaders but i might extend it to a few more people personally
“in a fight to out-violence fascists we will not win” says you

“I think that the image of the Democratic Party is as bad as these polls suggest. I also think that a lot of it's coming from Democrats. A lot of those numbers are coming from Democrats who don't like the party, who are going to vote for Democrats no matter what, and many of them will crawl over glass to vote for Democrats in the midterms, even though they are not happy with the party.”

yeah man we are so fucked when the “opposition” party is hated by their biggest supporters

they have david plouffe on and he is talking about how bad the electoral maps will be for dems after 2030. man it’s so time to jettison the democrat party and start fresh without the baggage
plouffe suggested if we get an 8-1 court it could be game over, but dude i think a few bad decisions this year could be the end of the game

If i had a podcast about hatelistening to pod save, i would definitely put favreau saying “Qanon was right” on the drops board.

if i ever do this get me help

Bobby Pulido: “I mean, I have friends and family in border patrol. And they felt that they had been, they didn't sign up for necessarily for processing people because that's what it was becoming with the asylum seekers. They're like, I signed up to patrol the border not to be processing people, right?”

They wanted to go ride around on 4 wheelers catching border crossers and were mad that biden made them do paperwork? these friends of yours?

“Like it's a 20 kilowatt laser, which is actually not that much. It's kind of like the low end of the spectrum. I read it was like 350 light bulbs, basically.”

No one has had a 60w incandescent bulb in their house in like 5-10 years man

“Also, the Super Bowl is not a unifying event. It is an opportunity for the NFL to make as much money as humanly possible for a group of billionaire owners. As the United States, we all pick one side or the other, and we watch them concuss each other to death on a field.”

Not even gonna touch how good an allegory for US politics that is, eh?

this platner interview is a *lot*. asked about what differentiates him from the governor, he says that she has a poor voting record on unions, and then also dives into a specific tribal sovereignty injustice that he’d like to see fixed that she has consistently stood in the way of.

“Like, when did you start paying attention to politics? And what was your world view like back then?
And sort of how has it evolved?”
“I mean, I've always been politically, I was a big history buff when I was a kid, which in many ways kind of makes you sort of politically aware just because you're doing that. In high school, I was introduced to more critical thought, like Howard Zinn and Chomsky. I, you know, at that point, but I remember reading those things and like being like, yeah, some of this makes sense.
But I also still was very much like a bit of a patriotic young man. So, and I always wanted to join the military. So I had this kind of like weird, like militaristic bent that I really can't explain.
But since I was two, I wanted to be a soldier. It was really after my military service that I began to think much more deeply about it”

this is the guy who said he didn’t know what a totenkopf was until a few months ago. he committed to one very weird lie

@timmy I *think* we've finally gotten rid of our last one, we replaced them as they burned out... But every once in a while I find a non LED/CFL (We're replacing the CFLs as they die too...)

@timmy hey hey at least get it right:

friends and family

@timmy my dear old uncle had a simple dream, to chase people down like prey and destroy water caches in the desert
@timmy ooof that's a damning indictment of people he calls friends (and his family sucks as well, but you can't exactly choose that though you can choose to support them or not)

big "i have friends and family in the SS" energy
@timmy would you call it Pod Damn America
@IntrepidVector unfortunately, that name is taken

@timmy ah, damn

I must know the name in your back pocket then, even if you have to invent it

@IntrepidVector thinking up a name is like 3/4 of starting a podcast, i cannot do this it’s too dangerous

@timmy I know not with which I meddle but that's true like 80% of the time anyway

there's always Pod Save Pod Save America

@timmy I don't know what they could do with a bigger majority that they can't do now?
@IntrepidVector roberts is basically the only one that is slightly squishy and since things pass without his vote it is essentially a 9-0 court
@timmy dems need to stop listening to these clowns

yeah, ploufe helped obama win in 2008 and 2012 (iirc)

but that strategy was shit for everyone but obama. it completely destroyed the democrats as a party that can be at least somewhat competitive everywhere, and was disastrous at the congressional and especially state levels

and he hasn't done shit since then
@timmy Me being a fool thinking that people being excited for your policies would be good. God forbid someone be "popular." Ugh, awful.

@whiskeysailor @timmy they don't have to like you, believe in you, or expect anything of you. they just have to vote for you.

that's why they get the big bucks, folks.

@whiskeysailor @timmy
meanwhile podsave uk is out there yelling about how uk labour is not actually defeating tories, they are handing reform the win.
@timmy i think that's an accurate analysis, but i wonder if they see that as a problem

i've talked to a lot of normie dems who are tired of the dems promising nothing and accomplishing less. and how do they expect to win votes of independents if there's basically no one on the grassroots promoting the party except as harm reduction?
@timmy hey I wonder how many times you can count on those voters crawling over broken glass to vote for the party that scorns them
@funkula @timmy well the next election is the most important ever and we need those votes to save democracy, so at least that one
@IntrepidVector @timmy you know there's a saying in Tennessee, uh...it's in Texas, I don't know if it's in Tennessee.... Fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Fool me a second time, uh...you can't get fooled again.
@timmy mf needs to read his Luigi
@timmy it's a broadly applicable question!
@timmy do something about what? huh? what is it? where is it happening? say it, coward. say it.

@timmy the crazy thing is that even if that premise was true, it still doesn't enable the US to just snatch him

guys please be at least a little perturbed that the State dept keeps flipping through a dozen justifications depending on the moment, from elections to 'narco-terrorism' to whatever

@timmy only if it comes with tickets to an Australian show
@IntrepidVector i can’t afford to fly to australia. if someone had bought me a ticket to crookedcon i so would’ve been there
@timmy an invitation to Pod Save America (Australia), the ultimate white elephant…
@timmy would you go if they invited you as a guest
@IntrepidVector i think i would have to tbh. which they might if they see my insightful hundred toot hatelisten thread
@timmy "this fellow has some thoughts. we should have them on."
@timmy salivating at the prospect of demanding documentation for “AI took my job” to means-test it
@timmy that's certainly a way to describe a global recession caused by the bubble bursting but I don't think that's what he meant
@funkula @timmy he absolutely saw Detroit: Become Human as a dire warning about the future
@timmy why do you continue to do this to yourself
@timmy he did have a campaign ad about how his dad died in the last cycle
@Pixley i pulled up the pod save episode where he is interviewed and lovett was pushing him to talk about it and suggested that it is why JB isn’t as much of an asshole as other billionaires and JB wasn’t going along with it. He also told his story about the argentine ice cream seller for the second time on this one podcast