TurdBurglerEveryone in Seattle Hates AI — Jonathon Ready
ComradeSharkfuckerSo, the people in companies pushing and making this AI slop treat it like toxic waste, and the author thinks that they’re the problem?
I suddenly want to look at his AI map thingy and see how bad it is.
audaxdreikI mean, clicking through to his website shows the branding alternate between Wanderfugl(?) and WanderFull so either it’s a sloppy branding mismatch through evolving iterations or … slop.
“Wanderfugl” is a name so bad it legitimately sounds like a Rick and Morty joke.
The author of this article is literally the Principal Skinner meme
I didn’t fully grok how tone deaf I was being though.
WTF does this mean???
I see he’s still completely tone-deaf, too.
“Grok” was briefly a real(ish) word back in the 60’s, after Robert Heinlein’s Stranger in a Strange Land first came out. It faded into obscurity over the last few decades until Elon ressurected it, and now writers are unironically utilizing it again for some reason.
People using the word “grok” has always been a red flag. The people who read stranger in a strange land and identified with it so much they started using the word are fucking weirdos. The book is about a child adopted by Martians who inherited their reality-bending mind powers, comes back to earth as an adult and creates a nudist sex cult. Basically Jared Leto. I’m not joking, that’s the book.
It was always elder developers who didn’t wear shoes and had trouble with personal space.
I read it as a teenager and wasn’t particularly impressed. As an adult I reread it after hearing it was a “classic” and I couldn’t even make it halfway through. Absolutely agree that liking that book is a red flag
hackersdictionary.com/html/entry/grok.html
I read it in my early twenties, almost twenty years ago. I am not a developer but am in the same area. I always wear some form of shoes when I leave my house unless I enter someone else’s house. I don’t think I have trouble with personal space but I don’t really see anyone other than my wife and kid.
I remember liking some of the themes of the book but, reflecting on it now, yes, Heinlein can be problematic.
There is no problem with having read the book, there’s no problem with liking it. I did both, the first time i read it I thought it was cool. I’m more taking about people who made the nude sex cult book part of their personality enough to use the word grok unironically.
It’s a useful word with no direct equivalent in English. You don’t need to integrate the cult aspect of the book into your identity to understand that.
Sure, I might even give those people some grace over the people who use it cause they want to be Jared Leto, or one of Jared Leto’s sex cult friends in the book.
It’s actually still a red flag, unfortunately. The only people why use Grok have terrible understanding other people, like the dude in this article. That’s part of the problem. Either you’re jumping off the same bridge as your weirdo colleagues, you identify with the nudist-cult Martian, or you have such trouble being understood, or understanding neurotypical people, you think you need a new word.
It’s like people who is Na’vi, you can make up anything and say it’s anything and people who have trouble with reality will identify themselves by using that nonsense in normal conversation. You’re never gonna make fetch happen, it’s just tedious.
or you have such trouble being understood, or understanding neurotypical people, you think you need a new word.
My background pretty heavily leans toward comp-sci and hacker culture, and “grok” in those circles is almost never used in the context of people, so I find it a bit odd that this is what you seem to be focusing on. It had very little to do with the difficulty of understanding other people, and much more to do with the understanding of a language, or nuanced hardware interactions, or programming techniques.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok#In_computer_programmer…
For what it’s worth, I agree on your specifics, and if someone is frequently making statements about being unable to grok others, or others not being able to grok them, than it’s at the very least off-putting.
Oh no, I’m the first person who told you this behavior is weird huh. I’m sorry.
Eh, no skin off my back. Pretty sure if you search my comment history for the word “grok” this comment chain is the only time I’ve ever used it. It’s not a regular part of my speech, I just never interpreted it in the way you were saying.
You’ve moved my opinion on this definitely, I have never been inside that world, but I engage with it all the time because of my work.
Rather than being something strange and wrong, it’s just a thing that works, and that’s why you guys adopt it. Like rubber duck programming.
Yeah if AI was actually good you wouldn’t need to mandate it. No one was like “everyone here must use Google search”.
Microsoft when Bing first came out was literally like “it is highly recommended that everyone here use Bing Search”.
Also there was a brief time within the Linux community, hen asking for solutions in forums were disencouraged in favor of using Google, especially as that time Google was seen as a force of good, as Chrome wasn’t the RAM-eating beast powering almost all browsers and ~80% of desktop apps, also not even the content ID system was implemented on YouTube. This made the Linux community more toxic to newbies, hindering its adoption rates to this day, with memes claiming “you should google forums telling you to google the problem”.
Yeah lmgtfy.com was funny BC at that time Google search really was good, and some questions really were super low effort and annoying, and lmgtfy was a little in joke to let off some steam, kind of like rick rolls.
Of course some people were a dick about honest new people trying to get started. A problem since the original Septembers and perennial during this eternal September.
This whole article is just a condescending mess.
“Why does everyone who has been repeatedly burned by AI, time and time again, whether that be through usable software becoming crammed full of useless AI features, AI making all the information they get less reliable, or just having to hear people evangelize about AI all day, not want to use my AI-based app that takes all the fun out of deciding where you go on your vacation???”
(yes, that is actually the entire proposed app. A thing where you say where you’re going, and it generates an itinerary. Its only selling point over just using ChatGPT directly is that it makes sure the coordinates of each thing are within realistic travel restrictions. That’s it.)