NotSteve_[OPINION] Canada’s age-verification bill for porn is a slippery slope to a restrictive internet
I was never excited for Carney (and the Liberals’ continuation of power), but I really didn’t think they’d anger me as much as they have been. Yes, I’m happy we don’t have PP in power, but at times it’s feeling like we may as well have reached the same outcome minus the culture war shit.
I really hope the NDP makes a strong comeback
Avid AmoebaI’m not one to glaze Carney, but for the benefit of factuality - this bill was proposed by a senator, not a Liberal MP under Carney. We’ll see whether it goes further.
morbidcactusAfaik this is a senate bill and similar to s210 from last parliament, the NDP voted in favour of that one last session which I’m extremely disappointed about, I recall the NDP being pro privacy in the past, which totally got some of my friends interested in them in the first place.
It’s even more disappointing that the liberals were the only party with Nay votes on that one. I realise that wasn’t passing this bill but still, unimpressed.
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SunshineNooooo, I thought Canada was very far from this bull shit
BurgerBaronIts not "well intentioned”, the silpery slope is the point. Getting porn sites to essentially self censor by restricting what geographic regions have accesss until one day its the majority of places and suddenly banning porn sites in the remaining hold outs doesnt seem like such a hard sell.
It’s always referred to as age verification, but it’s ID verification. It’s the introduction of a regime where you can’t use the internet without everyone knowing exactly who you are, and without the government being able to track your activity via your ID. Governments around the world are making what must surely be a coordinated effort to end anonymity, and thus privacy, online. In other countries this has gone along with a push to end encryption for phone calls and chat, and a push to outlaw VPNs. Canada’s government is embarking on a program that’s very hostile to its own population.
What’s the difference? I use ID verification to buy alcohol and marijuana. They have no idea I’m old enough for sure, they trust the license.
The scenario you describe about using the internet without a regime knowing everything, has been the default in North America for about a decade.
This slippery slope argument is nonsense. There is a problem, and this is the tool we have to attempt to fix it with. Half the people on here seem to want to argue that porn has no negative effects on developing children and teens.
You don’t store and track who buys alcohol by that ID when you go to a shop, you just show them it
Didn’t know the dude at the liquor store you flashed your ID to was rocking the meta raybands
Do you have proof that the LCBO or gas stations scan and resell your ID?
That sounds like the very definition of ‘big if true’.
Collecting and reselling any data is far easier done by a website than it would be by the corner LCBO.
But did you or did you not say the LCBO scans the ID and sells the data? I have to admit I’ve never seen that happen. What do they scan it with?
Anyway there is no way to argue that handing a guy your ID for a glance to buy cigs, weed or alcohol is less safe than uploading to some random porn site on the internet, even if they didn’t store your data (and I believe strongly that they would store your data for documenting the verification… either they would, or the third party that does the service)
I’m saying they are the same safety. There’s alternative ways to get porn without giving an ID and its not even illegal.
If they implement age verification on porn sites, what will be the other nonillegal ways to get porn without ID?
Is it illegal to download directly from one person? Is filesharing illegal? What about torrents?
Yes torrent and file-sharing in most cases violates copyright and is therefore illegal.
That fact won’t stop people, especially teens, from doing it. But it is a fact.
As with most things involving kids, open, healthy and honest communication is the best way. If you don’t have that then no constraints will really contain them, they will find a way around them, they will sneak around behind your back, and you will lose their trust.
Not all porn is copyright.
If parents can’t keep track of their kids, there needs to be a way for society to make up for it. We can’t have a bunch of drunk kids running around just because some parents are shitty.
Parents should keep their kids off of porn, porn sharing websites should also do their part to keep kids off their service.
You’re acting as if there aren’t negative impacts to privacy. Adults should not have to give their identity over to web sites to enjoy content. Identification theft is a real thing.
Moreover, we already have solutions for this. Parents can block content at the router, and at this point every ISP allows you to set up security and content filters.
This is puritan, social conservative bullshit. It’s a thin edge of the wedge ultimately aimed at making pornography illegal.
I’m curious - are you religious?
Then dont use the content if you dont think its worth sharing your ID.
Its funny you think that all parents have the knowledge and capability to block content at their router. Its also funny you think pre-teens and teenagers only access the internet in their own home. Guess they can’t have friends either, or use the computer their school requires them to have.
This isn’t puritan, it’s the most basic amount of friction that could be added to make something less convenient, so that less kids will be tempted to just open up pornhub and scroll.
You are being selfish, you dont care about children, or society, you make that very clear. YOU dont want to give up YOUR ID, so it must be a bad thing right?
I have a great relationship with my kids that is built on communication and honesty. You don’t know anything about me, try not to be presumptuous about my character. Did I attack your character?
I asked about religiosity because I was curious about correlation, for the same reason I asked about spanking - whether you support it or practice it - which I noticed you didn’t answer, but frankly I’m still curious given your claims to protecting children at all costs.
Now I’m curious about another correlation: Which party do you generally support?
I don’t drink soda drinks - which, unlike my questions, is irrelevant.
Unless you can assert a link between soda and child safety and well-being, or between soda and social conservative beliefs.
aceshighBut that would be impossible, you know. And we can’t just go around controlling what people say and think and consume, you know. Because free speech and such and so forth and so on.
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rozodruManwin is based out of Montreal, i.e. Pornhub. I can’t see this passing. Canada is quite literally the porn capital of the world, trust me I know I worked for 3 separate porn companies here in Canada. I just don’t see it happening.
DundasStationI’d rather this type of legislation not even be entertained in Parliament and treated the same way as if someone tried to propose banning oxygen. I’ll be writing to my MP tomorrow and I encourage everyone reading this to do the same. If you let them take a centimetre of our privacy, they’ll take an entire kilometre.
gustofwindConspiracy: We just learned a large, organized, and barely secret pedophile ring consisting of high level government officials and business people is/was controlling the American government and probably most large western corporations
Sounds like they actually want everyone back onto the sites that don’t verify ages or content because it will destroy the regulated porn industry entirely.
The dark web became known as the hideout of internet criminals. Once we’re all internet criminals, it will just be the hideout of everyone. Time to drop all these commercial services that we’ve let take over the internet and go back to being anonymous weirdos talking to other anonymous weirdos on websites run by anonymous weirdos. The web was ironically a nicer place. Also a shittier place, but at the same time a nicer place. This is why we can’t have nice things.
They can try. Bans require enforcement, and they catch a few of us weirdos from time to time, but the hydra always grows more heads.
“Ban Website” sounds good in the news but those words together barely even parse to an idea.
A website is just a bunch of files hosted on a computer, put them behind some kind of access control and the outside world can’t even know that they exist. Unless ISPs decide to block all inbound traffic to subscribers you can always just apt install apache2.
observantTrapeziumIt may be well-intentioned
It may, but it is not.
The only way this would be acceptable is if they built a trustless authenticator. Until then they can fuck the hell off.
The tech exists and has for decades and is battle hardened. It is called zero proof knowledge but Centralized power wants nothing to do with it as it is a decentralized technology. It is ok, as we will be forced to move towards decentralized services the more we wade into the new AI/Quantum Age as anything Centralized is a sitting duck for being hacked and hacked often to the point that they become useless.
It’s never about porn or children. It’s about control, money and a fear of ones own citizenry.
For sure, only pure evil motives. Establishment needs to destroy Canada to pillage it. Wrap it up in war on China and Russia. Deliver Canadian slaves to Israel and US oligarchy.
mostly its for tracking political dissidents, once you have to “upload your id eventually”, control of the female body is just a side benefit.
It’s also about scanning everyone’s faces for their databases, and probably to feed Palantir in the end.
It is not a slippery slope, it is the intended purpose, with a different implementation.
Anyone with a few braincells working knows that it is all bullshit this crusade against porn “for the kids” .
In the end the objective is just ever more identification, tracking and control of everyone .
It gets even worse when you think of how the improper access could be properly mitigated…