themaninblackDec 3

Photo enforcement cameras

https://lemmy.world/post/39643839

Show threadEcho DotDec 3
I’m a little confused, do you want people running red lights in the name of “personal liberty, yeehaw” because that seems like a bad idea.
Show threadkuhli
No, I don’t want cameras watching everything people do
Dec 3 at 5:04pmWeb
Show threadAceticonDec 3

Cameras specifically to catch people running red-lights will only take a photo when a car crosses a red light rather than run continuously.

They’ll only have you “under surveillance” if and when you’re breaking the law by running a red light.

So if you’re so worried about “surveillance” from those cameras, don’t run red-lights.

Show threaddeathbirdDec 3
There are other, newer cameras like those from Flock that run and check continuously. I prefer the old-school ones you’re talking about.
Show threadkuhliDec 3
Yeah, the old ones are fine, but they’re just turning into mass surveillance tools now
Show threadAceticonDec 4

Yeah, those are a massive, MASSIVE concern when it comes to pervasive surveillance.

When I lived in the UK it already had a similar thing in the form of license-plate-reading cameras all over the place (the UK is even a biggest civil society surveillance dystopia than the US, or at least it used to be but maybe the US has caught up with it).

When driving in anywhere but dirt roads in such a country you absolutelly are almost constantly under surveillance and that shit is going into a database were it will stay forever and ever.

Redlight cameras, however, need not include “always on” or even “license plate reading” features.

Show threadmercDec 3
Red light cameras may not be effective at making streets safer. But, they’re nearly 100% effective at making people who run red lights pay fines. The first one would be amazing, but I’m happy to settle for the second one.
Show threaddreadbeefDec 3
You sound like someone who can likes rich people getting away with just paying fines for being rich assholes
Show threadurandomDec 3
The problem is not the cameras then, but the fines. Should be proportional to net worth
Show threaddreadbeefDec 3
we both know thatll never happen in america, and until then its a law for poors only, as designed
Show threadmercDec 4
And you sound like someone who wants to be able to run red lights without consequences.
Show threaddreadbeefDec 4
No, just without being in a surveilance state
Show threadmercDec 4
Sure guy.
Show threadThadraxDec 4

without being in a surveilance state

Those cameras only activate when people run a red light, right? And if they don’t, that’s the problem that should be fixed, not taking down the whole thing instead. People following the rules and not endanger others is kinda a good thing.