fossilesqueShout out to my engineering homies.
it_depends_manDoing engineering is more like an any% run to do something that eventually, even just statistically, hurts people.
So. Stop enabling us, scientists :P
Lots of people are better off for science, it’s the capitalists that ask us to wield it against others
No. That evil has nothing to do with whichever socio-economic system is your particular choice of boogie man.
Socio-economic models have to do with pretty much everything that happens in a society. They define the preferred end goal of most actions. In feudalism it would be to better expand and defend the territory of your liege, for example.
What I meant is that wielding new science and technology against people is in no way unique to capitalism. Every system we’ve ever tried has done that at one point.
No one said it’s unique to that particular system. As I said feudalism would do the same for different reasons
But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to have a system that disincentivises harming others and even if it’s implemented it doesn’t mean no one will be harmed.
explodicleTraceur201 said that.
He did not say it’s the only system where it happens
It seems he was just saying that in the current socio-economic model for most of the planet the elite of that system (the “capitalists”) push for that behaviour, not that it wouldn’t happen under any other
If I say I get wet when it’s raining outside, I’m not implying I can’t get wet during a sunny day (I might just have bad luck and someone dumps water out of a window)
Communists and capitalists both made WMDs and murdered millions for their own gain
AntiOutsideAktionCapitalists bombed Hiroshima
Communists bombed Nagasaki
-this dipshit probably
I don’t know why you consider yourself an anarchist instance when I see you quoting Gobbles as often as Kropotkin
If I used Spongebob characters do you think it would land better with this audience?
Weird and gross. You probably creep people out in real life.
I’m just asking questions. You seem to be enjoying engaging with me while hating everything I say.
I am quite certain you have zero curiosity about me as an individual but I am asking because I am genuinely curious why you choose to engage. I do so with crass because I do not respect you.
I believe I understand why you are engaging with me here, you think yourself clever and smarter than anyone who doesn’t adhere to your ideology. Feel free to correct me. This is a general “tankies do be like that every time,” vibe.
So what are you getting out of this and why do you downvote and then respond with a question, that you then downvote? Are the downvotes because it’s the only power you have in an otherwise powerless life?
I am very certain there is no genuine curiosity because you are on an instance that enforce group think. Also because, tankie and feel free to correct me.
not reading all that from ‘hey what’s your dick doing right now?’ guy
“I’m just asking questions” --sib after making a statement ~2 sentences ago (“Only tankies.”)
yeah, i’m saying that it’s a statement, stating that they are a tankie, and not a question, asking if they are tankie. since it’s a statement, i am saying that when you say “I’m just asking questions”, that is false, because you made a statement, which is not a question.
learn to read before telling people to learn to read!
I am asking why they are interacting the way they do. Nothing to do with being a tankie.
Detecting tankies is easy. I can tell you’re one too because you’re so hung up on the label.
…disengage
This is part of the reason I moved to CA. As an engineer I’m always going to have some kind of environmental impact, and I think a direct initiative is necessary for the public to consent.
This comment is known to the state of California to cause birth defects.
PugJesusWeapons can be used for defense or offense. Just be sure that you can sleep at night with the potential consequences - and that your work may be used on the wrong side just as easily as the right side.
On the other hand, if you’re working for an Israeli defense company, you can be pretty certain where your results are going to go, and should maybe just… not.
If you’re working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.
Why would that matter? You think it’s alright to work for a company supplying the Palestinian genocide as long as you’re not working on that specific product line? British aerospace is pretty directly involved there so I’d set my standards a little higher personally.
You could’ve just said “yes, I think that’s where the ethical line is”, instead of linking logical fallacies wikipedia like a fourteen year old atheist.
We haven’t moved anywhere. We were at “working for companies profiting from genocide is wrong” and we’ve started right there.
You could’ve just said “yes, I think that’s where the ethical line is”, instead of linking logical fallacies wikipedia like a fourteen year old atheist.
We haven’t moved anywhere.
This you?
If you’re working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.
Sorry that you can’t remember what you said a whole comment ago.
We were at “working for companies profiting from genocide is wrong” and we’ve started right there.
So what you mean is “If you’re working for a major Western company, period, you’re evil.” Since the list of Western companies that don’t do business with Israel is very small.
This you?
If you’re working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.
Yes, that’s me. Maybe the bit you’re missing is that if you work at a company, the company’s products are your products.
Yes, that’s me. Maybe the bit you’re missing is that if you work at a company, the company’s products are your products.
I’ll be sure to tell the janitor.
It’s like you don’t even understand the core moral dilemma of being an engineer working for a military supplier.
No, that’s not what I mean, and I’d appreciate you not putting words in my mouth.
So this isn’t you?
We were at “working for companies profiting from genocide is wrong” and we’ve started right there.
There is a material difference between providing Israel with military equipment and with some random consumer product that is just distributed everywhere. Sure, I’d argue it’s still wrong to do the latter, but it’s still a huge difference.
Ah, of course, if you’re enabling the genocide through non-military means, it’s okay. I mean, it’s not like supplying Israel with goods frees up more of Israel’s resources for military production and action.
I don’t know man. Even cell phones seem pretty dangerous in Israeli hands.
i haven’t heard that they buy from Ukrainians
Nah, remember that Australia is “western”, Chile is not… I’m pretty sure Ukraine doesn’t qualify.
US people have a great handling of geography.
EU candidate and has similar enemies, this already makes them more western than, say, Turkey or Israel
or maybe you’re dense on purpose
edinbruhFor my computer science internship I just dodged a drone-shaped bullet… I’m working on abstract verification of access policies instead
BaroqueInMindI’m working on abstract verification of access policies instead
😅 Here’s an article on how that contributes to killing people: https://arxiv.org/html/2508.17043v1
Some of us turned down Lockheed and Raytheon.
socsaSadly the job security in weapon manufacturer is pretty good. Least it was when I worked in one 15 years back. Pay was shite though.
Yea I’m an LGBTQ+ ally:
The ally they’re talking about: L ockheed Martin G eneral Dynamics B AE T exas Instruments Q inetiq
“our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!” -their motto, probably
sudoer777How many children have they tortured with their graphing calculators?
CubitOomI think this is also true for investing in war companies (its the department of war now, so no need to keep up the defense charade), even if it’s just part of an index fund or ETF.
小莱卡Department of War*
DBA Department of War Crimes
NyokaYes, violence is literally all of capitalism.