(Mass dislikes time!)
Yes, the US does evil shit in the Middle East. Killing brown-skinned practitioners of the other Abrahamic religion overseas is as American tradition.
That still doesn’t change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.
You can’t shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another.
You can’t shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another.
To liberals, “simping so fucking hard” literally just means, "not believing literally every piece of propaganda that right wing western propaganda outlets pump out about them.
If they were old enough to be paying attention in 2002, they would be accusing anyone who didn’t believe Iraq had WMDs of “simping so fucking hard” for Saddam.
“Authoritarian state” is a bullshit category. Authoritarian states are just states insufficiently subservient to Washington. It’s no more or less coherent than “terrorist state,” which the US uses in the same way.
“Authoritarianism” is the contemporary word for “totalitarianism,” which is just an erudite-seming term for horseshoe theory, which is horseshit. Previously:
The fediverse is small, and thats both a blessing and a curse - one of its several blessings is that in a smaller space we all individually have a bigger impact on what the culture of this space is like. On this comm (and on lemmy broadly) there’s a lot of discussion about how to grow the fediverse, what to improve, but an easy thing you can do for the fediverse is right in front of us- * Be kind * Ask people what they think, and why * Approach folks you disagree with with curiosity rather than hostility (EDIT: no, this is not specifically referring to Nazis. I get it, they’re the first thing that comes to mind. I’m not telling you to approve of Nazis I’m just saying be kind to your fellow lemmites) * Engage sincerely * Ask yourself if there’s something nice you can say * Make this small space worth being in A platform lives or dies by what’s available on said platform and often we have this conversation in the context of “content” or posts - and we may never have as much content as reddit does. But content and posts aren’t the only thing this kind of platform offers- it also offers people. It offers community, and human interaction. Culture and community is lemmy and the fediverse’s biggest differentiator, and we all have a role to play in shaping the culture of this space. The biggest thing you can do to help the fediverse is make it a place worth being.
“I guess I’ll block it now”
Proceeds to not block it
this post isn’t cheering on china, it’s shitting on the west’s hypocrisy.
also you might want to look up who funded the wahabis who groomed the terrorists that the crackdown is a response to.
Yes, the US does evil shit in the Middle East. Killing brown-skinned practitioners of the other Abrahamic religion overseas is an American tradition.
That still doesn’t change the fact that Iraq is building weapons of mass destruction to attack the USA.
You can’t shit-talk one authoritarian state and cheer on another.
Ironically Abrahamic religion’s influence feeds into liberalism’s good vs. evil worldview.
Philosophy professor Hans-Georg Moeller: If Morality Exists Everything Is Permitted
If not reeducation, which method would you prefer China use to combat the radical radical Wahhabism and terrorism spread by the CIA in Xinjiang for the purpose of regional destabilization and regime change?
We all know how the US chose to implement its own war on terror.
That still doesn’t change the fact that China is persecuting Uyghurs in the Xinjiang province.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330
#HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately? It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly. Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights. Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
Much like how after China foiled their color revolution attempt in 1989, the CIA had to pivot to the “Tinyman Square Massacre” narrative.
Sources:
This has to be the least compelling list of evidence one could provide, and yet you get upvotes because it looks like you’ve provided proof of something. All you’ve done is provide a lot of incredibly, seriously biased opinions with no actual facts at all.
Wow, I wonder why there aren’t any Western corporate media sources with a Media Bias/Fact Check seal of approval…
The first step is to understand the media, which Media Bias/Fact Check and the Ad Fontes Media* are never going to teach you. The only people who are taught it are those who get degrees in marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism; and even then only some of them.
The new post-Trump/“post-truth” media literacy curricula won’t teach it to you either, because it was paid for and crafted by the US military-industrial complex: New Media Literacy Standards Aim to Combat ‘Truth Decay’.
This week, the RAND Corporation released a new set of media literacy standards designed to support schools in this task.
The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”
None of it is a secret, though, and it can be learned.
* I’ve criticized MBFC & Ad Fontes before:
What with the recent development in the supreme courts I’m feeling a necessity to do what I can with the time left, politically. However, aside from the most rudimentary basic terms I am basically completely ignorant to all politics on a state and federal level, and while I’d love to sit here and self loathe for my idiocy of not learning before it was important I need to start catching up and figuring out what I should be voting on and why. Of course I’m deathly afraid that indiscriminately googling will lead to me learning biased and compromised knowledge from sites that I don’t even know are biased, ending up with a skewed and inaccurate understanding. While I know I could still be led astray by you guys, I figured it better to ask somewhere like here than to just wander off into the internet, so can anybody help me and people like me to start getting equipped?
It’s OK to distrust more than one Government, but how anyone can believe the Chineses Government in this matter is beyond me.
Did you not see the insanely violent crack down on Hong Kong Democracy Movement with you own eyes? Do you not remember Tianamen Square? Great Fire-Wall?
Theres liyteraly over 10GB or evidence of the persecution of Uyghurs by the Chinese Government:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files
I can understand not wanting to believe/trust the US and EU Govs, but trusting the Chinese Government is (IMO) insane.
Did you not see the insanely violent crack down on Hong Kong Democracy Movement with you own eyes?
The UK’s 99 year lease to subjugate the people of Hong Kong ended, a lease which had been forced upon Imperial China at gunpoint during the century of humiliation. Hong Kong reintegration after the lease expired was a foregone conclusion. The last minute, US-backed attempt at color revolution failed. It was the so-called “revolutionaries” who brought the brutality, by the way.
Do you not remember Tianamen Square?
I’ve already asked another commenter this but it’s valid here too: Would you class the western oppression of dissent to be on the same level as that famous student protest in China?
Only someone misinformed about the 1989 protest and US/CIA/NED-orchestrated, murderously violent riot would ask this, which to be fair is 99% of Westerners.
[Chinese Intellectual’s founder] Liang [Heng] had come from his New York office, where he serves as the magazine’s foreign editor, to Washington Thursday and Friday to address the board of directors at the National Endowment for Democracy – a substantial financial backer of the magazine – to tell it what he knows, what he thinks and what will possibly happen. After his arrival in the United States, he earned his master’s degree in literature from Columbia University and secured an initial $200,000 grant from the NED, a private corporation created in 1983 to “strengthen democratic efforts worldwide,” to start his magazine.
That is not to say [Gene] Sharp has not seen any action. In 1989, he jetted off to China to witness the uprising in Tiananmen Square. In the early 1990s, he sneaked into a Myanmar rebel camp at the invitation of Robert Helvey, a retired Army colonel who advised the opposition there. They met when Helvey was on a fellowship at Harvard; the military man thought the professor had ideas that could avoid war.
Great Fire-Wall?
The firewall isn’t there to keep Chinese people from The Truth. It’s there to keep imperial core meddling out, and to help China develop its own domestic internet services. In contrast, the rest of the world is dependent on / addicted to US internet services from Google/Alphabet, Amazon, Facebook/Meta, Microsoft, etc., which many countries are beginning to regret.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files
I already covered Xinjang elsewhere in this post, and if you had read it you would know that Adrian Zenz is a crackpot.
It’s OK to distrust more than one Government
Then you should try it, you hypocritical dipshit. You believe everything that comes out of the western propaganda machine without question, and then assume anyone who doesn’t believe them are “believing the Chinese government”
If it were 2002 you would be accusing anyone who didn’t believe Iraq of having WMDs of “believing Saddam!”
The Xinjiang Police Files are said to be leaked documents from the Xinjiang internment camps, forwarded to anthropologist Adrian Zenz from an anonymous source.
Adrian Nikolaus Zenz (born 1974) is a German anthropologist known for his studies of the Xinjiang internment camps and persecution of Uyghurs in China. He is a director and senior fellow in China studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, an anti-communist think tank established by the US government and based in Washington, DC.
Yeah… not suspicious at all.
It’s OK to distrust more than one Government, but how anyone can believe the the west in this matter is beyond me.
The west has repeatedly coup’d, invaded, destroyed, killed, bombed, sanctioned everyone that dares look at them wrong. But sure, daddy west is completely right when it comes to China.
Hong Kong Democracy Movement
Democracy is when you have west funded protests trying to do a color revolution. Sure.
Do you not remember Tianamen Square?
Oh, one of the biggest propaganda lies the west ever made about China? Have you actually watched the tank man video? How about the evidence of the contrary to the so called “massacre on Tiananmen square”.
Great Fire-Wall?
Oh no, China doesn’t allow the west to propagandize to it’s citizens, while simultaneously propping it’s own national platforms, the horror!!!11!!1!
Also, let’s just ignore how the Arab League literally investigated the so called “Xinjiang genocide”, and found nothing.
But sure, Adrian Zenz is right, lmao.
Not you, tho. You’re convinced that what you believe is correct.
My God. You people are complete morons
Not you, tho. You’re convinced that what you believe is correct.
Yeah, as opposed to believing what I believe is incorrect…
Do you even understand the concept of other minds?
I mean, you obviously have some reading comprehension issues. You can believe something and still be only 90% sure of it. I said that you’re convinced. Aka that you’re 100% sure. Perhaps I could’ve used a stronger word, but still… let’s not pretend your argument is any better than the previous one which got deleted within minutes lol.
You didn’t even bother asking about the video, because you don’t care. That’s how little you care about changing your mind. But you’re quick to call me a moron for daring to speak ill of your buddy… hmm…
let’s not pretend your argument is any better than the previous one which got deleted within minutes lol.
What previous argument that “got deleted within minutes lol”? See this is why Lemmy’s modlog is public.
let’s not pretend your argument is any better than the previous one which got deleted within minutes lol.
I’m still waiting to hear what argument got deleted that was better than BrainInABox’s.
Damn, you sure love telling me what I believe. Which makes sense, because your whole point falls apart is you don’t get to dictate to me what I think and believe.
And you are a dipshit, by the way. Don’t act like you weren’t slinging insults from your first post
Wow, you really do have comprehension issues. In that context, “you” refers to a person in general. As in “a person can believe something but still be only 90% sure that it’s true”. I don’t care what you personally believe and it’s irrelevant to the discussion, not sure why you’re bringing it up.
As for the “insult”…I mean, it was a true story. You never cared to hear the details, because like I said, you don’t care about the truth, and he never refuted it because it’s true. But sure. Keep pretending how you’ve got a leg to stand on while stacking up “removed by moderator” comments.
And I love how you say stuff like “and you are a dipshit, by the way!” as if your opinion matters, lol. That, coupled with the whole “you don’t get to dictate what I believe!!” makes me think you might have some ego issues that you should look into. Especially with all the other flaws you’re displaying. Like… you realize it’s not healthy to have an ego that big when you misread and misunderstand things constantly and you have to resort to name-calling, don’t you?
Also, most psychiatrists believe that everyone can benefit from their services, not only people with “issues”. So please, do seek help.
Disclaimer: not .ml.
Critisizing someone’s sources and then refusing to provide any other ones “because it’s pointless” seems a little hypocritical to me.
I’m pointing out the problems with the sources for all the other people that are observing that comment and being swayed, because it’s a bunch of baloney.
So we should trust your word over someone’s who has at least put in the effort to provide sources?
Look, you don’t need to prove anything, but if you’re gonna argue or act like you’re defending people from misinformation, then I’d expect to see more than just “don’t listen to that guy”. It’s not exactly easy finding objective information about various issues in China and filtering out all the American propaganda. Personally, I’d very much appreciate any links that don’t lead to obvious manipulation.
SpiceDealer
MelodiousFunk
lumpenproletariat
BrainInABox
davel
Horse {they/them}
TankieTanuki [he/him]
Spectrism
Kras Mazov
Cowbee [he/they]
DupaCycki