just_another_personWe elected an imbecile — and his latest move could kill us all
Rest of the world here: WE FUCKING WARNED YOU, YOU MORONS!!!
American here: I warned them too, but they’re too stupid to listen to reason…and facts…and science.
Hardly, half of the world is currently considering electing just as moronic representatives.
Seriously. Everybody seems to be very eager to make our same mistake. It’s almost like there’s some kind of global disinformation campaign or something aimed at undermining democracy and installing ultra right wing leaders…
Well, goodnight.
I smetime wonder if the that brexit was a proof of concept. Peoples massively votes against their own interests.
After learning what the shadowy forces of the U.S. and U.K. did to Australia back in the 70s I’m not sure I would be surprised to learn it wasn’t unrelated.
Today I learned that the CIA and Buckingham Palace carried out a coup against the Australian government in 1975 - sh.itjust.works
Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_CIA_involvement_in_the_Whitlam_dismissal [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_CIA_involvement_in_the_Whitlam_dismissal] Like I guess we all just collectively agreed to not talk about this? Apparently the Queen and the CIA thought Australia was getting a little too progressive in 1975. They were doing things like welcoming refugees from Chile (who were fleeing a different coup engineered by the CIA). The 50th anniversary of the coup just passed (Nov. 11th), and Consortium News republished an article originally written in 2020: >Gough Whitlam was driven from government on Nov. 11, 1975. When he died six years ago (2014), his achievements were recognised, if grudgingly, his mistakes noted in false sorrow. The truth of the coup against him, it was hoped, would be buried with him. >During the Whitlam years, 1972-75, Australia briefly achieved independence and became intolerably progressive. >The last Australian troops were ordered home from their mercenary service to the American assault on Vietnam. Whitlam’s ministers publicly condemned U.S. barbarities as “mass murder” and the crimes of “maniacs.” The Nixon administration was corrupt, said the Deputy Prime Minister, Jim Cairns, and called for a boycott of American trade. In response, Australian dockers refused to unload American ships. >Whitlam moved Australia towards the Non-Aligned Movement and called for a Zone of Peace in the Indian ocean, which the U.S. and Britain opposed. He demanded France cease its nuclear testing in the Pacific. In the U.N., Australia spoke up for the Palestinians. Refugees fleeing the C.I.A.-engineered coup in Chile were welcomed into Australia.
Weird how the rest of the world hasn’t stopped him. Almost as if there are idiots and inaction everywhere.
Not our fucking job to fix the US’s stupid problem. Land of the brave clearly don’t think it’s that big a deal so they’re on their own while we work out to take care of ourselves. Unfortunately there is still inaction, yes, but the US needs to actually do something about this instead of asking why no one is helping the country that actively fucked them over for decades upon decades.
It is a stupid problem, you’re right. So how would you fix it? It’s lazy to call out an entire country, including those who actively work against him, as if they all voted in unison for the same thing. As long as you’re willing to sit on the outside slinging mud at many people who don’t deserve it, people will continue to do the same in return. Grow up.
Hate to tell you but Canada is next so hope you got your action pants ready. When the united states falls we take everyone with us so it’s kinda your job and your fucking problem too.
And se will need to work on fixing that problem, yes. We’re also not “next” as we’re actively dealing with a conservative government right now that our moronic population believes is centerist just because they are technically between the left and the far-right. I’m not going to ask for or expect anyone else’s help, though, so you can take this nonsense “gotcha” and shove it way up your behind.
And see here’s the thing about the US falling, we don’t need to save you to protect ourselves, we just need to disconnect from that sinking ship. Sure we could try to pull this dead weight along with us but we could also just cut you loose to drown on your own while taking care of ourselves. If you’d even make a slight attempt to tread water then fine, but as it stands a lot of you are just bitching and demanding we carry you after you sunk the boat in the first place.
I’m doing what I can to foment disgust from another country
Because that would require either a terrorist action or a bunch of Internationally illegal tampering with American Democracy or declaring war against the World power with the the largest standing army and deepest pockets for arsonal. The rest of the world is effectively held hostage while Americans solve their own problems.
It’s the reason why a lot of bad people in power stay in power. There can be tariffs and sanctions and all manner or soft power deals but the rules are rules. Sovereignty and a right to run your country mostly the way you want is protected as a right and and the US used its positioning as the least devastated megapower/millitary supremacy post WWII to basically bend the world over and get a lot of acceptions to a lot of rules.
Or electing your own leaders who are willing to stand up to him on a global stage. Half the country did not elect him. There are protests, there are grassroots movements. What else do you recommend? Pretty easy to sit outside and call millions of people morons, including all those who agree with you. Pretty small-minded if you ask me.
I did not call Americans morons nor was my intention to tell you what to do to solve the problem. I simply told you why there isn’t more help coming from the outside. It’s not a matter of people deliberately sitting on their hands.
Unless American leadership breaks the rules enough to get the sign on of multiple countries to work in concert against America in a world war you are on your own because of rules designed to allow countries to self govern. Other countries cannot alter another country’s government for good or for ill. This is not an indictment of the voting habits or a rebuke of the process of citizen power the American public.
Whether you or any other country solve your problem democratically or through violent collapse the world is handcuffed. There are civil wars going on right now in other countries and the rules are the same for them as they are for you. The world will recognize whatever government is effectively in power once the dust settles but outsiders cannot lawfully tip the scale and go kingmaking unless one side of the conflict violates the rules of war. War itself is not internationally illegal. The US falling into a full on civil war is kosher from an international law standpoint.
The USA has a historic tendency to ignore that international legality and go kingmaking themselves utilizing the resource of spies and subterfuge ONLY because they are singularly powerful enough on the world stage to get away with it. America essentially declared itself a world police force and the sheer infrastructure they have worldwide means that no individual country can compete. Look for yourself how many bases America has on foreign soil compared to every other country. How many armaments and millitary force and how, their ethics policies of their intelligence agencies differ. America is singularly unique. It may be why you believe the rest of the world will help you “fix” things but that’s not in the interests of the rest of the world.
Foriegn leaders are “standing up to America” but they are doing so by cutting themselves free of American coercion for the security and benefit of their own citizens. By framing America out of the picture and moving reliance to other countries and letting America starve itself once the supply chain contracts and treaties expire they will decrease American influence on world policy. It doesn’t benifit those countries to try and swoop in and shore up a crumbling empire which has held guns to their heads for generations. International help currently isn’t coming for American citizens. Unless your country fixes it’s problem fairly soon the “standing up to America” that is happening will level your economy and diplomatic power as other governments profit from the diminishing of American hard power for decades.
asRomeBurns1979‘Why don’t you stop us?’ After decades of the US using its financial might to tip the economic and political scales in its favour on basically every front. You’ve relentlessly stripped power from even your closest allies and now you’re whining about the results when they don’t work in your favour. Happy to pursue war and regime change in foreign countries or prop up genocidal lunatics, at the expense of civilian casualties. Just too cowardly to do it in your own country when the risk is yours. ‘Why don’t you stop us?’ You couldn’t write it. Unless you’re American.
Hanrahan