DaftyduxI canr even make up corruption this blatant. My imagination is not this stupid.
MadMadBunnyCould we get sources?
apnews.com/…/f35-fighter-jet-saudis-trump-deal-29…
Appears there are a number of sources discussing it. It’s strange being that Russia is currently selling them air defense systems as well.
What to know about the F-35 fighter jet
President Donald Trump says he's agreed to sell F-35 fighter jets to Saudi Arabia despite concerns that China could gain access to the plane’s vaunted American technology. The F-35 Lightning is considered to be the United States' most advanced fighter plane. It first rolled off a Texas assembly line in 2006. It's been hailed as a technological leap and lamented as military money pit over the years. More than 1,200 have been made so far. The planes have been delivered to the U.S. Air Force, Navy and Marines as well as Britain, Canada and Japan.
Thank you, saved me a couple of searches
Not seeing anything in there to support that Trump announced that the sale was happening because the Saudis are doing some deal with him personally.
That may well be suspected, but to claim it as fact is propaganda.
Well they can only speculate about motive, and a reputable news or won’t do that.
But we know Trump, and we can put two and two together.
Post says "Trump just announced ... because ..." I don't see that that is the case. The suggestion is that he said "We're selling F35s to the Saudis because they're doing a deal with me", and that does not appear to be true.
Again, it’s just 2 + 2.
Considering that literally the only sole actions that the traitorous psychopath takes is to enrich himself (and his filthy cursed offspring / handlers) through absurdly blatant and completely undeniable corruption, it’s not at all hard to see that this is yet another self-serving grift by the pedophile-in-thief.
Sure, and we don’t have any receipt to support that the Five Guys gave me a cheeseburger yesterday because I paid them to do so.
That may well be suspected, but to claim it as fact is propaganda.
/s. Yes, post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy. But consider the timeline: the Trump organization had made some deals about projects in Riyadh and Jeddah, but the big new development in Diryah, owned by the Saudi government, was still not on the table even after Trump toured it and expressed interest back in May. Now, suddenly, the deal is going through and the Saudis are getting the planes they want in the same week?
Honestly, if you don’t believe this, what kind of evidence are you looking for?
I'm not saying that Trump's F35 sale isn't pure corruption - only that he didn't announce that that was the reason.
Criminals don’t typically announce their motives, no.
halcyoncmdrNot that surprising if you think about it. Clearly Russia wants real world data regarding how those systems work against cutting edge US technologies.
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The trumpberries taste like trumpberries!
I keep magnifying, but it’s still Trump. It’s Trumps all the way down.
TrickDacyeverything is legal when you’re dumpy. EVERYTHING. Including rape.
Brave Little Hitachi Wand“L’Etat, c’est moi”, but in the voice of a farting ketchup bottle
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SanctusAnd what will be done? Everyone in a position to do something is his toady or doing the same thing. This is the end game of individualism and capitalism.
I don’t think individualism is bad per se. I’m very left but individualist. It just means I’m not bound to groupthink. I have my own opinions and i temporarily align with political parties but never have unquestioning loyalty to any party or country. If anything that unquestioning loyalty is a hallmark of fascism and not very individualistic. The extreme right is a group cult and people who speak against the group narrative are exiled immediately.
I’m from Holland so being left is a lot more left than in the US. Yet I can still speak my mind at political meetings even if it’s against the group opinion.
They do exhibit some individualistic properties but more as a group. But inside the group the forced groupthink is extremely strong.
And individualism isn’t just about what’s good for a person. I’m individualist but I still care about the environment as it’s important to me and the people i care about.
Time was we would kill traitors. If this is treason, then we should kill him. One person is closer than anyone else to him right now. They could stop all of this.
Nobody in US political leadership wants to set the precedent of facing legal consequences for their actions while in power.
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comfyTime was you would venerate traitors and call them “founding fathers”. Different strokes.
Hardly an apt comparison.
Fair I suppose. They were far more lethal per capita than the dickheads these days.
RivalarrivalThe F-35 was designed from the start as an export fighter. It was always intended to be sold to anyone and everyone. “Most Advanced Technology” is pure marketing wank, intended to support its $100 million price tag.
Trump’s idiocy has stopped more F-35 sales than he’ll make to the Sauds.
Yeah, we don’t export the most advanced ones. There are limitations on the things we include in the export versions. Also, supposedly NGAD is right around the corner.
I think Saudi Arabia being, y’know, Saudi Arabia is bad enough without throwing in that “Chinese ally” thing lol.
Sorry for calling again but could you please paint “DEATH TO AMERICA” on the jets? We got those new hangars and don’t want to make them all smelly right away.
Chloé 🥕monarchist nation build on slave labor, that murders political dissidents, queer people and indigenous groups? yea, that’s probably bad or whatever idk, i mean we did all that too and we’re the good guys yknow
chinese ally??? now they’ve crossed a line!!! 😡😡😡
Kind of ironic too because as evil as they are, SA are absolutely an American ally as well.
But an ally ideologically (until trump). Previous governments just supported them because of oil.
It’s not just the oil, and this is kind of the key point. It’s also the defense contracts. SA is a huge buyer of American weapons. So the back door deal making has always been a thing. Selling them arms has always been a thing. There’s actually almost nothing that SA and the US agree on ideologically. Of course Trump inserted his own interests into the picture and found a way to enrich himself, and that is truly a new low, and utterly despicable. But let’s not knock him for giving arms to the Saudis because we’ve been doing that a long time.
apftwbIt’s never stopped the US from selling them modern-for-the-time F-15s, their advanced versions, and other advanced weapons systems. Or Europe from selling them the Eurofighter Typhoon.
I’m not saying this is the same or not a horrible decision full of corruption. Just that SA has been a longstanding strategic ally that has received a lot of military support from Western countries.
Wait, the insurrectionist would commit treason?
Taking a bribe to let China reverse engineer our next generation fighter jet should be the kind of thing that has consequences. That’s going to cost a lot of lives down the road if things go sideways.
It could cost a lot of American lives. Could also save a bunch of Chinese ones.
It could also cost our lives as a US “ally”. Since they are the only fighter jet my country (Holland) is buying. Since China is a strong supporter of Russia it’s sure that they will get access to any countermeasures as well.
IMO we should sell those things and buy something else like the much cheaper alternatives from Europe.
But my country is also becoming pretty fascist and idealises America so they probably will just cave.
At least there’s still countries like Spain who have already cancelled their F-35 order 👏
If you look at the history of military operations performed by both countries, it’s pretty clear which one is the more likely option
China nowadays has the capacity to steamroll half of asia into compliance. Instead they build alliances/partnerships via trade, even with countries they ideologically disagree with. It’s less profitable in the short-term but leads to more predictable and stable development in the region, which benefits them massively in the long-term. Crazy what you can do if you think in centuries and not quarters.
¿Por qué no los dos? I mean, if you actually go to development nations you will see that they are investing into real infrastructure that improves the standards of living dramatically. They also intend to turn some profit off of it. Most likely much of that profit will be in building long-term economic relations, rather than immediate rent-seeking, which can be viewed as “trapping nations in debt traps”, or as “investing into development”. They also invest with much fewer strings attached compared to IMF, which is a win comparatively speaking.
Why not both? From someone from ML? Really?
So I guess imperialism is all good when China’s doing it?
Nah, I mean that what they’re doing isn’t charity (so they are doing the debt trap thing on some level), but it’s also beneficial for populations of countries they invest in, and better than whatever the fuck IMF is doing.