Carry the battery by its tail and tell it well if you're going to be like THAT then YOU can go OUTSIDE

The ereader with no clothes on.

Come on, this is no surprise, you know the sort of thing people read on these things when nobody can see the cover and judge you for it in the dentist's waiting room

I bet I broke the screen wrestling with it to try to get that massive battery out

Haha I didn't break the screen!

To reassemble, follow previous steps in reverse order

(for avoidance of doubt do not go back outside and get the dangerpillow and glue it back in again)

And there we have it, one perfectly working gorgeous ereader, ready for another million pages!

Got some folk coming round for a back porch hangout so I put the battery in the grill while I figure out what to do with it

Continuation of ereader battery replacement thread: I replaced the battery in my own ereader too (it's the same PRS-505 but in black), and I would like to remind you that we thought about batteries very differently back in 2007.

Did you forget that in 2007 you didn't have to plug your phone in every night? Remember the INDIGNITY you felt when you bought your first colour phone or even smartphone, and it sucked so much energy that you had to turn the screen off when you weren't using it?

Anyway, I put in a new battery and charged it five days ago, read for a couple of hours every day, and can report that last night the battery display dropped from four bars to three.

So that's probably three weeks between charges aye. On a 750mAh battery smaller than a box of tic-tacs.

Look what they've stolen from us. Demand better. We deserve better.

I must be thoroughly Ebook Brained now because I'm actually starting to enjoy using Calibre
I gotta do like a Big Thread about this sometime on my blog that I don't have, but for now I've gotta say, Actually Making The Effort to use the e-reader rather than my phone for reading books has paid me dividends in Chill

Like seriously what was I thinking owning a vintage unwifi'd ereader and not using it, just using my phone instead

🦝 Let's settle down and have a nice read of a long book! Gee, I sure hope I don't get distracted from this book, for example by a distraction machine, much like the one that I'm holding in my hand right now, and staring at,

Anyway look what just turned up at my house lol

I only bought this for the cover, but I bid a fiver for this and two broken Android tablets and nobody else put a bid in so I got this gorgeous boy for 99 cents plus a fiver to post it.

Shame about the touchscreen, not NEARLY enough buttons on this thing, but it's a gorgeous colour and it's got that reassuring Sony Aluminium Heft to it

The case has a built-in flip-out popup booklight! Featuring some incredibly crappy 2008-era icy blue LEDs, boo

You could legitimately accuse me of hoarding these things

...if anybody else had bid

The UI and general Experience Of Using The Device is CONSIDERABLY worse on the touch-enabled one. Whereas on the 505 every menu item had a line on the display and a corresponding button, this 600 has its interactable parts of the screen appearing without rhyme or reason in a layout that doesn't seem very thoroughly thought out.

Honestly, touchscreens aren't really good for most things

🦝 Alright, time to distribute some of these ereaders, I'd better write a quick guide on how to make new ebooks work on vintage ereaders

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🦝 Well this turned into a gibbering manifesto

Everyone who's ever bought an ebook or borrowed one legally from the library: 🐧 Oh Dan, I'm so sorry, I've been there and I know it's an awful mess

Everyone who's ever pirated an ebook: 🐴 Huh? What's the problem, it's easy

🐴 Dan, this is supposed to be a quick guide on how to read ebooks, do you really need to include so many thousand-word tangents on corporate greed

🦝 It is a hard thing to write a Bullshit Removal Guide without mentioning The Bullshit to be removed

See, the root of the problem here is that publishers hate ebooks and would rather they didn't exist at all.

Ebooks are a threat to publishers because making physical books and distributing them at scale requires a large staff, lots of very expensive equipment and a network of business relationships built up over literally centuries, whereas making ebooks and distributing them at scale requires one dipshit, a computer, six cups of tea and some muttered cursing

🦝 Wow, this handheld portable machine with a screen and a microprocessor is so good for my mental health

🦝 Thank you #gameDad, #pinePhone, #eReader (#butSpecificallyAnOldEReaderWithButtonsThatDoesNotGoOnTheInternet) for being nice fidgety little devices that can go in my pockets and bring me harmless joys throughout the day

📱 Aw thanks Dan, I didn't expect

🦝 Not you

🦝 Wow, maybe we don't have to abandon all technology and return to the forest after all, maybe it's just phones that are shit
📱 I didn't even get a hashtag :(

I don't know who needs to hear this right now, with the spring rain and the blossoms on the trees and the animals being all excitable and the general Spring Energy going on, but there's a plugin for Calibre called FanFicFare that downloads stories from a variety of websites (including that one) and makes them vintage-ereader-friendly

(full list of supported sites at https://github.com/JimmXinu/FanFicFare/wiki/SupportedSites)

SupportedSites

FanFicFare is a tool for making eBooks from stories on fanfiction and other web sites. - JimmXinu/FanFicFare

GitHub

Adding on to the ereader thread to say that I was strolling through eBay and saw this thing
https://www.ebay.com/itm/167504233404

And I thought, "Now that there's an aesthetic that SOMEONE on Fedi will absolutely wet their knickers over"

(I didn't buy it because I've just spent a frankly embarrassing amount of money on a red PRS-505)

Ectaco JetBook Red - Working, Good Condition - Plus... | eBay

Ectaco Jetbook Red - Working, Good Condition - Plus Original Pouch. What you see pictured is exactly what you'll get. A working, red Ectaco JetBook. The JetBook has an SD slot and and an older miniUSB slot (not microUSB) for loading books and charging the battery.

eBay
HAHA WHICH ONE OF YOU GOT IT

Come on fess up, two minutes after I post it here it's suddenly sold lol

Whichever one of y'all snagged that up, you better do a thread on it

In other news, Ectaco seems like a cool company? They make ebook readers (with page turn buttons - less than they used to it seems, but there's still at least a page-forward and page-back button and those're the important ones) and translation devices and their website looks like it was made in 2003, and not in a bad way either.

Here's one of their translators. You can't tell from the picture but it's on the bigger end of phone-sized.

Damn I wish this company made phones. I'd have a phone like that.

Looking through Ectaco's website and having a little yearning sigh moment of "Ohhhh, I wanna go and work at that company..."

VTech (the toy company) was the other company in the last decade or so I've felt that way about (I was just that impressed with their offline kiddy smartwatch that it made me go "Oh, I'd vibe with these people.").

(which is high praise 'cause I'm rabidly self-employed)

🦝: Taking time to organize thousands of ebooks and compress them such that they can all fit in a low-power offline ereader from 2007

🐰 is this a trauma response after the storm that cut off everyone's power for half a week

🦝 What? Pfft no

🐰 OK fair enough

🦝 *whispering* it's a trauma response to eeeeeverythiiiii

Folk who got their asses bitten off by Kindles are now looking for new ereaders, I see them asking which are good, their requirements are that it has to run android, I wipe the spat-out tea off my monitors and try to calm down,

"Those cheap ones off aliexpress might not get software updates" FFS SOFTWARE UPDATES

for BOOKS

wtf lad, like the update from when we went from scrolls to edge binding?!

Reading daily on a 2007 ereader has reminded me just how tiny text is and I don't think Modern Kids even know about file sizes

one black-and-white page of manga shrunk to fit this ereader's screen takes up as much space as a novella

you can fit fifteen novels in one second of video

a 4gb SD card of books would probably have me completely sorted out for reading material until it's time to die of old

Kids don't know about file sizes and hard drives and stuff because they never got, like we did, the leap from floppy disks to CD-ROMs.

The presenter on the telly would hold up the big thick phone book and say 🐹 isn't it remarkable that all this information can fit on one plastic square. But there's a new technology coming in! Inside this new plastic circle, you can fit ALL THIS!

And there'd be this massive overflowing pile of phone books, stack them into an armchair and sit in it, more than you could read in a decade, all in this one shiny miracle circle.

Tell kids about that today and they'll say what's a floppy disk, what's a CD-ROM, what's a file, what's a phone book, what's a telly and what's information

A one TERABYTE hard drive costs less than a day's minimum wage and yet everything lives on someone else's computer, what the heck

🐀 Dad's what's information

🦝 It's like misinformation but there's less of it and it's true

I don't think we've had a massive shift like that in the last few decades. Like, now you can get multi-terabyte hard drives for cheap and that's normal, but they kinda grew in size and dropped in price pretty smoothly, that's nothing like the jump from floppies to CDs in the 90's. We went from a megabyte and a half to 700 megs in one big jump just like that.

Then DVDs were like eight gigs and okay fine but that's only ten times as much, big whoop y'know. Blu-ray, 50 gigs on a dual layer, big deal, I lived through a 400x jump

Like, imagine if tomorrow someone put out a 400 terabyte hard drive for the same price as a 1tb one today

Just gonna download 76,000-odd books from Project Gutenberg and stick them on a memory card the size of my pinky nail that I can afford with the coins on my bedside table.

Just for a laugh. Just because I can. Hmm, lazy morning, let's casually spend a couple of hours grabbing more books than I could read in ten lifetimes, for free. All legally too.

I made the mistake of publicly saying that PRS-505 ereaders were really good and now even broken ones are like $150 on eBay, so please look at this to take the pressure off https://marx.engineer/zereader/
ZEReader - Building a hackable open-source EPUB Reader

marx.engineer - Embedded Systems and Electronics by Anna-Lena Marx - Yocto, Linux, AOSP, Electronics and Oscilloscopes

I just downloaded a book that was TEN MEGABYTES and I opened it up to go what the hell and do you know what was in there? A THOUSAND EMPTY PAGES

Literally over 1,000 copies of a blank white background at like 2,000 pixels wide resolution

🎶 oops
🎵 I
🦝 did it again

Not as good as eleven for fifty bucks, but six for thirty bucks is still worth raccooning

Most of the ones I got last year have been adopted already, save for a couple with bad screens

But I found an aliexpress seller doing the screens :)

Figure if I eBay like one or two of these things then I'll make back all the cash I've spent on acquiring and fixing like seventeen of them

So if you want one I guess like this post to get the notification when I edit it to say hey here's the auction link

Yaknowwhat I'm gonna say it

Having the ereader use the same battery as the light was a bad idea

The PRS-700 had a wee reading light built in, but using it meant the difference between a charge lasting four hours or four weeks

Ereaders should have two batteries, one for the light and one for the ereader, 'cause when the light battery runs out you can light it up with something else and keep on reading but when the ereader battery runs out you're done

Been looking into how the screens work, apparently they need 22v, 15v, 3.3v for logic, -15v and -20v, I'm guessing parts of this thing need like a 40 volt difference

But the power economy is just, Unreal with these things. They wake up, flip some pixels and go to sleep again. If your eyes are good enough for small text and fewer pageturns then you don't need to take your charger on a trip

Well I got a screen, just one to try and see how much of a pain in the arse it is to swap the screens around on a PRS-505 ereader

The headline: it's a pain in the arse

I suppose I'll elaborate on that a wee bit

Here's an ereader from the most recent job lot, the screen's cracked, the battery's doornail-dead and it's pretty filthy

And here's the ereader out of its aluminium sleeve. Often if the battery's swollen it can be a PITA to remove the guts from the case but this one behaved itself and slid straight out with no drama.
If we were just doing a battery swap we'd be done by now (see earlier in the thread for how that goes) but we've gotta take off some other bits and pieces, like this floppy not-a-board that houses the SD card and memory stick holes. They're glued in and fragile so Be Careful I Guess

Gotta take off a similar flopper that holds the power and USB holes.

The blue masking tape here is 'cause this black plastic frame also holds a captive retaining nut for a screw and a slidey lever and associated tiny little spring, which I saw and went "That's gonna ping off into a dark corner at some point, I'll tape it in place so it can't escape"

Once you've got the various daughterboards and plastic frame free, you get to the heart of the matter, which is this sandwich. 1. Board on top, 2. (not visible) black plastic sticker to stop the back side of the board shorting against 3. steel plate, to which is glued the 4. e-ink display. The ribbon cable for the screen turns a sharp 180 degree bend to connect to the board, which I'm not wild about tbqh
With the computer removed we see just a sticker there to insulate it from the metal plate. The screen's on the other side of this.

Now the nasty bit, these screens were meant to be replaced as one unit, screen + metal plate + black insulating sticker in one go. My replacement screen is bare, it's just the screen itself. So we gotta re-use the metal plate and its insulating sticker.

The screen is held to the plate with three thick stripes of sticky glue. I struggled with it for a minute then went "Alright let's try getting some heat on this thing," but I didn't wanna mess up that insulating sticker so I had to be kinda wary with the heat gun y'know

All ideas I'd had about removing the old screen in one clean sweep were as shattered as this screen

I need to figure out a better process for getting the old screen off the metal plate. I've got a couple ereaders where the screen is, like, Nearly good, like it's got a little mark that you can read around, stuff like that, and I'd probably wanna replace the screen but keep the old one for Just In Case, but at present this process absolutely obliterates the screen lol

Maybe summat like injecting acetone with a syringe, IDK

Anyway it's a job of, like, levering a very very thin sheet of glass away from a very hot metal plate with very hot glue in it so of COURSE I ended up with a 200℃ shard of broken glass glued to my fingertip, that wasn't awesome
The rest of this thread'll have to wait til tomorrow 'cause I'm gonna actually go fix some coinops for a change, if only so I can justify still having this handle lol

So it might not be as easy as swapping out the screen and setting a voltage with a wee potentiometer like I'd hoped, we might be into waveform lookup tables and files that Sony never leaked

We might be flirting with failure here

I'd rather not fail tbqh. If I can get one good screen replacement done, then I'll have another like half a dozen really good ereaders rescued from landfill

But so far it's looking like it might actually be more complex than a tube swap, and not complex in a way that's fun, complex in a way that's honestly a bit of a bastard

Aha! NOW we're GETTING somewhere!
A screen with a valid display, not hooked into anything, held unpowered in my hand, will never not be a Slightly Eerie sight

If you're wondering what was on the other side of the computer board, the answer is "A whole BUNCH of test points, like whoa"

The testing station for this must've looked like a hedgehog

@ifixcoinops gives new meaning to “display ghosting” 👻

@ifixcoinops they're the ghosts of electrons past. 🙂

Now I'm wondering if those electronic price tag things could be updated by a lightbulb connected to wifi? Have the screens around the house displaying information updated by the lights. Probably a rube Goldberg solution searching for a problem to solve though...

@ifixcoinops could worse, imagine if it changed...
@ifixcoinops I have a few ereaders that need this treatment, I'm very interested if you find a good way to do it :)
@ifixcoinops I've heard about something called "protective gear", perhaps might be worth looking into…? 😬
@mikaeleiman but I gotta feel
@ifixcoinops First complaining about feeling, then about not feeling…! 🤷‍♂️
@ifixcoinops My immediate thought since you don't need to keep the delicate glass bit intact and can thus risk some Shenanigans: "clay cutting wire." Should be able to slide right between the two parts and cleave the sticky tape apart without needing significant heat or levering on it.
@becomethewaifu Aye, or dental floss maybe
@ifixcoinops Clay wire is generally steel and comes with handles so you can yank on it quite a bit harder without risking your fingers, but yeah, floss could probably work in a pinch too.
@ifixcoinops i use petrol/gasoline a lot to dissolve the glue around phone screens and batteries. it's better than acetone because it doesn't damage the plastics involved.
@malte I got some naphtha, might give that a go

@ifixcoinops

Before going nuclear with acetone... :wink:

Have you tried isopropyl alcohol on those sticky tapes? It's surprisingly effective on a number of adhesives, and far less likely to eat something important. I still wouldn't want it wicking in between layers of the screen, though.

@ifixcoinops I've heard of folks using 3d printer heated beds to separate phone screens - nice controllable and even heat source
@ifixcoinops "heat gun" is my repair safeword, you say that and all activity stops
@ifixcoinops
Then you'll love the DS Lite, where the flat for the upper screen does a full 360 inside the hinge...
@SharkAttak echoes of old beige laptops where the screen'd only work if you held it at the exact right angle
@ifixcoinops ...I'm surprised I've never heard of that technique before. That seems like it could be so useful now that I know about it...

@ifixcoinops it is a universal feature of Machines of all types and sizes that they have one fastener that is impossible to replace and has been hexed by a wizard in the factory so that it will ping off into the shadow realm if you look away for two seconds.

See also fasteners that only exist to hold something in alignment for a later stage of assembly. Those will always shear off. (No I'm not getting naam flashbacks to trying to hold a Peugeot 205 brake disk in alignment while fitting Heavy Wheels in the pissing rain)

@ifixcoinops I'm curious, where did you find a working screen?

I see many for-parts listings for a broken e-reader I have but it's almost always the screen that's dead :(

(which, given that the screen on mine is more complicated / multi-layered, and I think badly engineered... isn't surprising, and may have more to do with the model I'm concerned with than with ereaders as a whole...)

@pixx aliexpress tbqh, it's a dice roll either way
@ifixcoinops gotcha, thanks!
@pixx forgot to mention: you'll need to dismantle far enough to get the existing screen's part number, because often mfr's will use Whatever screen even in the same batch, so just searching "your ereader model screen replacement" might not cut it
@ifixcoinops
Simple; use tritium. 😀
@ifixcoinops can you snip, then create an independent light circuit?

@InkomTech the 700 is a bastard to even get into, never mind do modifications on

(and not worth it, it's worse in every way than the 505's)

@ifixcoinops am not familiar with it. How ‘bout poking it in the eye: teensy destructive drilling of the light?

@ifixcoinops damn this has been a wild ride!

You got my attention tho fo sho!

@ifixcoinops (Liking because I approve of buying job lots of things and incrementally fixing them, not because I have any need for yet another e-reader!)
@ifixcoinops This isn't as bad as my buying a dozen PCMCIA Ethernet adaptors. Like these are likely to be used. My reason? I saw two listings, one "couldn't possibly be right" but I ordered it anyway. Both listings were right. I needed one working one. And yeah, pretty much needed. USB adaptors weren't working, but PCMCIA ones were.