Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦Mozilla can't imagine a web without AI.
So I imagine there soon is going to be a web without Mozilla.
Why would anyone, at this point, use Firefox over Chrome?
Diehards like me are absolutely disgusted with the AI BS Mozilla is pushing down everyone's throats, to just mention one thing. We will find a fork, or eventually hopefully a new independent browser.
Anybody else doesn't give a fsck so why would they use a cheap Chrome knock-off Mozilla made Firefox into, if they can get the real deal for free?
Well done Mozilla. You outplayed yourself.
Mozilla is the browser vendor equivalent of centrist political parties.
> We can do whatever the fsck we want because who you gonna vote for, the actual far-right?
> Also, we need to try to out-far-right the far-right because that's where the voters are!
And then there's the inevitable surprised pikachu face when people just don't choose them.
Either because they vote for the actual far-right, not the cheap centrist knock-off; or because they refuse to make a choice between shit and crap.
the elder sea@rysiek
Except the web isn't America, and browsers don't operate under first past the post. So I can go use someone besides chrome or Firefox. And I am.
Except the web isn't America, and browsers don't operate under first past the post. So I can go use someone besides chrome or Firefox. And I am.
Diane@alienghic
Unfortunately at the moment, even vanadium and cromite are both forked from chromium. Ironfox works as a hardened Firefox base if that's your jam. I'm hoping that Ladybird will be out soon as a proper alternative.
@rysiek
Unfortunately at the moment, even vanadium and cromite are both forked from chromium. Ironfox works as a hardened Firefox base if that's your jam. I'm hoping that Ladybird will be out soon as a proper alternative.
@rysiek
lj·rk@eldersea @alienghic @rysiek Ladybird has the same problem except being not corpo. Lead Dev is a serious bit, with all this "apolitical development" space going on, respecting trans folx pronouns being political of course and CoC is evil.
txt.file@ljrk do you remember when the shitstorm hit Ladybird?
Cause since a year there is
https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/commit/627dcb90bdd23ccfa2ae210d55b474ab4a844db0#diff-eca12c0a30e25b4b46522ebf89465a03ba72a03f540796c979137931d8f92055R51 and I wonder if this is a result of the shitstorm or was there before and Ladybird browser ignored it.
Cause since a year there is
https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/commit/627dcb90bdd23ccfa2ae210d55b474ab4a844db0#diff-eca12c0a30e25b4b46522ebf89465a03ba72a03f540796c979137931d8f92055R51 and I wonder if this is a result of the shitstorm or was there before and Ladybird browser ignored it.
@txt_file The first time I called them out was before this change, but nothing of relevance has changed. They considered "If the user does X and afterwards clicks on Y, he expects Z" to be "neutral language" and *demanded* others to follow the same style. This guide still only talks about "neutrally gendered" but that can mean a shit ton of things. It also doesn't ask to respect the pronouns of the individual (maybe I /want/ you to use neutral pronouns, whatever that means?).
Outside of that, it's still "apolitical" here, "speak proper English" there and "muh, we are so professional" corpo speak.
They claim to set "ideology aside" but themselves promote a heavy ideology. They just don't see it, because it's their opinion and therefore right, and objective and no ideology.
@ljrk thanks for the summary. I have not looked much into Ladybird in the last months.
The "let me just exclude CJK rendering web platform tests" in each monthly Ladybird video already gave me enough bad feelings. Its okay to do this for a while Now I feel actually implementing CJK rendering would have taken less time than awesomeLastname used to tell people he does not care about their languages.
awesomeLastname as username gives also negative thoughts.
The "let me just exclude CJK rendering web platform tests" in each monthly Ladybird video already gave me enough bad feelings. Its okay to do this for a while Now I feel actually implementing CJK rendering would have taken less time than awesomeLastname used to tell people he does not care about their languages.
awesomeLastname as username gives also negative thoughts.
@txt_file Ugh, I didn’t know about /that/, thx for letting me know! Yeah, CJK /is/ hard given our very anglocentric computing platform – but nowadays there’s enough prior work to make it doable. It’s just clear that this dude is effectively a white-cis-het-male-supremacist (rather a tame one) and considers everything out of the society’s norm to be unimportant. :(
Krzysztof Sakrejda@eldersea where, pray tell, did I say anything about this being about the USA (as I assume this is what you meant by "America" here)?
Same shit is happening with all sorts of centrist parties all over the place. In some of these places some of the elections might not operate under first-past-the-post either.
The point is, Mozilla thinks that they are "the only real alternative" to Chrome, much like centrist parties think they are such to alt-right.
@rysiek
You didn't, but it's where Mozilla is based and it's a very familiar political problem. Any parliamentary system shows another way, let alone ranked choice or star voting.
Centristes are functionally right wing when push comes to shove, and basically the antithesis to "don't comply in advance."
I very much agree with you, perhaps my wording was poor.
@eldersea fair enough! 