Waymo says its self-driving taxis will take customers on freeways for the first time

https://lemmy.world/post/38704554

Waymo says its self-driving taxis will take customers on freeways for the first time - Lemmy.World

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I’m sorry……people have been saying these are better than Tesla’s FSD and they can’t even go on a highway?!
because it is better… teslas full self driving literally causes accidents all the time because of not using actual sensors for depth and lidar, there have been tons of cases of people using their teslas on freeways and it just crashes them out of nowhere, they just don’t care about forcing out a release even if its extremely dangerous and proven to be so
Tesla uses cameras for depth sensing. If you don’t understand how that works, do some research.

I do research in 3D computer vision and in general, depth from cameras (even multi view) tends to be much noisier than LiDAR. LiDAR has the advantage of giving explicit depth, whereas with multiview cameras you need to compute it, which has a fair amount of failure modes. I think that’s what the above user is getting at when they said Waymo actually has depth sensing.

This isn’t to say that Tesla’s approach can’t work at all, but just that Waymo’s is more grounded. There are reasons to avoid LiDAR (cost primarily, a good LiDAR sensor is very expensive), but if you can fit LiDAR into your stack it’ll likely help a bit with reliability.

that is exactly what i meant by it yes, predictive depth using cameras is way less reliable as it is vs direct sensors that are expensive but if they cant make something cheaply that wont kill you it shouldn’t be sold period
I’m glad someone else already said it but camera depth sensing is way less functioning and safe than these other sensors and is way more prone to environmental factors fucking with it. You should do some research instead of listing off something elon says without any understanding…
Nothing I said is wrong. Using just 2 cameras you can do depth sensing.

you cannot use 2 cameras to do safe and effective depth sensing, we have tests that prove how ineffective it is compared to other methods and it has insane rates of causing crashes to the point tesla is being sued over it. if you didn’t feel the need to shill for tesla you wouldn’t be saying this stupid shit

all researchers completely agree on this reality that teslas depth sensing is not good and way more error prone so i don’t see why youre trying to defend a car that has literally killed people because of its failures

Teslas don’t kill people lol.
tesla has the highest crash rate of literally every single car brand elon muskrat fanboy over here suckin his disfigured cock
You don’t expect anyone to actually take anything you say seriously when you post like that, do you?
All i did was insult you when i called exactly what you said was wrong, all you could do is say nuh uh teslas dont kill people when they literally have the highest accident rate of any other car. I think calling you a shill for musk for that is pretty reasonable and i would guess most people would agree.

All i did was insult you

Exactly.

this is the troll immature behaviour im talking about
Says the guy who starts name calling and acting like a child as his first tactic lol
im not the one banned tons of times in different communities for acting like a narcissistic troll everywhere i go. you came in here inflammatory and your account history literally shows thats all you seem to do youre just playing obtuse now when your behaviour was obvious from the jump.

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I’ve been banned by 2 mods, one of whom banned me from a bunch of communities I’ve never even interacted with at the request of his mate, jordanlund, the other mod who is the biggest power tripping mod on here, who even the admins of the instance admit is a power tripping mod who bans people unfairly. The latest ban of mine was a mistake, as admitted by the mod. He unbanned me, but the ban didn’t federate across to my instance, so I asked him to try ban and unban again. I’ve even got the messages to prove it.

What a pathetic attempt to derail a thread because all you have are personal attacks.

you are the only person who started with personal attacks I just responded back with the same energy as your very first comment had.

ive been cordial enough to explain exactly why youre wrong multiple times while you unsurprisingly had nothing to say back except that im wrong.

im done talking to an annoying ass trump supporter who wants to victimize himself at every corner you are literally a poster child of narcissistic defense mechanisms…

you are the only person who started with personal attacks

Care to show me where? We can all see the comments - well apart from your disgusting personal attacks in your comment that was deleted. There’s no personal attacks from me at all.

your literal bio is a reference to the fact that you’re pissing people off, you have more majority down voted comments than ive ever seen on an account before period. and that bio says a lot about you it literally exhibits tons of narcissistic traits such as black and white zero sum games. An attachment to the idea that winning is whoever is calmer which is extremely common among narcissists including during abuse where theyll abuse their partners but attempt to act less emotionally upset which works as a form of emotional projection allowing them to attach their feelings of inferiority to the other person. I could go on but i won’t ill talk about the actual stuff youve said to people now.

you started this interaction by saying tesla full self driving is way better than waymo, then I pointed out the exact reasons why its worse: a lack of lidar and other sensors for depth sensing. Since cameras are notoriously error prone when facing environmental interference to the point where tesla self driving has literally been implicated in deaths by US courts. What was your response to my simple criticism?

tesla uses cameras for depth sensing, if you dont understand how that works do some research.

Then I explained exactly the fact that theyve been implicated in real cases and have the highest accident rate of any car, and the fact that scientific tests have shown how error prone it is, with literal tesla engineers whistleblowing about it because it was a concern for a lot of them. and what was your response?

teslas dont kill people lol

yea you sound really cordial and normal and not at all like a child… I’d already done research and am objectively right and yet you still just love stroking your ego so much that you acted like a literal child about it going “nuh uh” in response to studied results. yet im the childish one… yea sure go try to show that to anyone on here i feel like you’d be absolutely shook at which one they clock as childish.

Theres literally posts where people are freaking out about people getting deported illegally where most of them literally end up in slave prison torture camps where many will die painful deaths and your responses were to say you don’t get why people are upset “illegals” are getting deported. that’s disgusting shit to say and it can only come from a callous and psychologically disordered person without a functioning empathetic response. even majority of conservatives don’t respond like you do majority of them are against the mass deportation situation after it started, but not you, slave labour camps ftw for you apparently… people getting disappeared off the streets by masked thugs that have sent american citizens along with migrants to these slave camps simply because theyre brown or politically dissenting like someone who worked at a simple university organization that is critical of Israel.

you literally spend tons of time in linux desktop subreddits just to talk shit on linux too like nothing you do here is about any actual discussion or anything youre going around acting like a 4chan troll who thinks getting people upset means you won an argument, the exact shit people without functioning empathy tend to do as well.

Ahhhhhhhhahahahaha you’re the type of person I wrote that bio for 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Amazing.

maybe you dont know what the definition of personal attack is, its any abusive or insulting communications, saying someone knows nothing theyre talking about then refusing to elaborate while acting like theyre stupid is a personal attack, even moreso when youre just completely wrong and had exactly why explained to you.

you are a narcissistic parasite go back to 4chan