@ambiguous_yelp oh, OK, love that, yes, I've spent so long looking into this and it's so difficult to tell for goodness' sake (Literally in this case.). It's a struggle (Not anywhere close to what non-human animals have to go through, though, of course.) to try to decide about which things to purchase (Which is why one of my biggest purchases are video games, though with the links about plastic you could say it's fuelling that industry.). I would be up for a discussion about it to see how you think about it as maybe you can help me (Or I could help you, but you probably know about it more than I do seeing the links you sent me.) even more with this stuff cause I have no clue. I actually thought plastic is fine most times, at least with the materials used in the product itself (Because I read the first link you sent and it mentioned using lubricants for the plastic production machinery, which you can't avoid except if you become a dumpster-diving vegan and even then you have the issue of inadvertently showing support for wherever you're dumpster diving. Obviously dumpster diving is not possible in all places either, because those who do it don't just dive in a dumpster that can cut them up with glass or whatever.), but your links are making me reconsider (Still on the first link.). I don't think I could avoid plastic altogether but I would really try, maybe I could actually, if I go to farmer's markets and get everything raw, but then comes the issue of labelling waxes for the fruits and vegetables, which they never do and in supermarkets I don't know if they do always (That's why I always buy packaged with ingredients.) and I don't really trust them to answer honestly if I ask them. I've explored these thoughts in the past and it has led to realizing most humans aren't vegan so I can't avoid everything that isn't vegan, which is why I would really appreciate a discussion about this (If anyone else wants to I'd really like it, too!), maybe I'm missing something or the thought process is not correct.