mekka okereke Nov 6

Y'all are really pushing all of the Black journalists out of the industry, so that you can ask trash questions like this?

Embarrassing.

Some questions are harmful in and of themselves. It doesn't matter what's said in the debate, or who "wins."

Pretending that this is not trash, is weakness.

Show threadCharlie Stross
@mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg Good grief. There's NO SUCH THING as "conservative feminism"! All you've got when you drill down is I've-got-mine Mammonism and patriarchy—Aunt Lydia in a nutshell.
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Show threadGraydonNov 6

@cstross @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg Sure, but just like the quid pro quo for the quality is "restore de jure chattel slavery everywhere", the quid pro quo for the folks in the MAGA hats is "force women to marry".

Which in turn means "women can't get jobs, bank accounts, loans, or higher education" (at a minimum); all that is in living memory and the bottom two fifths of the male population, should we rank them by social desirability, want it back real bad.

Show threadFazal MajidNov 6
@graydon @cstross @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg that's only 20% of the population, they wouldn't win elections without the support of tradwives.
Show threadAdrianoNov 6
@fazalmajid (I think these same people are also working so that their 20% is the 100% of the people that can vote) @graydon @cstross @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg
Show threadGraydonNov 6

@fazalmajid It takes about 10% of the population to have a revolution.

It's a system under selection. (Life is involved, so…) Incumbents (a man granted patriarchal status is an incumbent) cannot accept change because incumbency means "meaningful change" is the same thing as loss of status.

But there's no changing local maxima without going downslope some, and thus we get politics. (This is the problem of armies in an evolved hat. That _is_ progress.)

@cstross @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg

Show threadCharlie StrossNov 6
@graydon @fazalmajid @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg I suspect what's going on right now is an extinction burst (by the angry white patriarchy, fueled by burning fossils). The last No Kings day may have gotten close to 10% of the US population on the march (certainly > 3%, maybe > 7%), and the election this week was a Sign.
Show threadCavyherdNov 6

@cstross @graydon @fazalmajid @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg

I wish this extinction burst would extinct, already. I remember discussion of this phenomenon back on Making Light, back in the late teens....

Until I see some actual measurable change, it's hard for me to think about this notion as anything but whistling in the dark.

Show threadsiderealNov 6
@cavyherd @cstross @graydon @fazalmajid @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg I mean, it might still take ten or twenty years. Racist patriarchy is the dominant ideology in our culture, you don’t just pop in a new one on Tuesday and call it good
Show threadCavyherdNov 6

@sidereal @cstross @graydon @fazalmajid @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg

& Ghu knows, they'll be fighting every inch of the way....

Show threadFear and Tooting in Las VegasNov 6
@cstross @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg @mhoye There was a recent spate of "tradwives" articles floating around out there as well, I just assumed from the headline that this was just a variation on a theme.
Show threadmhoyeNov 6
@steevmi1 @cstross @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg I've always assumed that the tradwife thing was a dom/sub roleplay fetish that escaped containment when somebody who got off on it decided they had enough of a pulpit to start talking about their kinks like they should be a public policy issue, and this nonsense is just in the water now half a mile downriver.
Show threadLaura "Tegan" Gjovaag ⛈ 🐸Nov 6

@mhoye @steevmi1 @cstross @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg

Oh, good. I thought I was the only one who finds tradwives to look and act like a kink.

Conservatives are always telling on themselves.

Show threadCharlie StrossNov 6
@realtegan @mhoye @steevmi1 @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg Looking at their behaviour I think authoritarian conservatives are in fact a kink community—but a 100%-closeted one, kept in line by guilt and shame. Basically a no-fun-house mirror image of what a healthy kink community should look like.
Show threadLaura "Tegan" Gjovaag ⛈ 🐸Nov 6

@cstross @mhoye @steevmi1 @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg

That's the only reason "homophobia" and "transphobia" make sense as labels. They aren't afraid OF them, they are afraid they ARE them.

It feels like ninety percent of the hate is jealousy that they can't enjoy being themselves.

Show threadCharlie StrossNov 6

@realtegan @mhoye @steevmi1 @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg

Remember those surveys OKCupid and Pornhub used to release, showing how their US user base was mostly in the Deep South and concentrated heavily in evangelical areas? (And you've got to have noticed the "sex abuser/pastor-or-republican" overlap in the news.)

Show threadLaura "Tegan" Gjovaag ⛈ 🐸Nov 6

@cstross @mhoye @steevmi1 @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg
I was raised very conservative Christian, and I *know* the guilt and self-hatred involved in all this.

The difference between me and them is that I don't blame other people for my hang-ups, and I love it when other people are happy.

Plus, I freed myself of much of the guilt (although that stuff is soaked in deep, it's taking awhile to remove it), so I'm happy with myself now, too.

Show threadMisuse CaseNov 6
@cstross @realtegan @mhoye @steevmi1 @mekkaokereke @sophieschmieg This is how I see them too. They have some sex issues and unlike normal people they have to make their issues everyone else’s problem.